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Old 04-15-2010, 11:40 AM
 
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I never said all union members are liberals. That was not a point I was trying to make.
These union members in New Jersey are ticked off that the first Republican gov in NJ in 12 years came in and made painful but necessary budget cuts that the recent Democratic governors could not do.

Why? because the Democrats in NJ are in bed with the unions. And now that the spoiled unions are not getting spoon fed they are up in arms.

Yet they are not portrayed as an angry mob, they are just using their protesting rights.
SPECIFICALLY, what "painful but necessary" budget cuts? How do you determine whether a budget cut is necessary or not?

"spoiled unions"....."spoon fed"........exactly what do you mean? What are the terms of their contracts?
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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Not at all. But they are going to Trenton to lambaste a new Republican Gov. who had to make painful necessary budget cuts.

Like I said I appreciate their voices but how come they are not portrayed as an angry mob which they very much are.
an ORGANIZED union protest is NOT and ANGRY MOB.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:43 AM
 
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Do you know the details of what the union wants? If not, how do you know that they are just "challenging" him as a "bully"? Do you think "management" should always have all the power to do whatever they want to the employee?

This is an excerpt from your link. It appears from the article that the governor has plans to make changes to the pensions of the employees.

"The unions plan to protest a number of parts of Christie’s proposed budget, including his refusal to renew a surcharge on housesholds earning more than $400,000 a year and his plan to privatize some functions of state government."
If you are familiar with NJ politics you would know unions have basically run the state (into the ground that is) for at least the last 2 decades.

Florio, McGreevey, Corzine all pandered to the unions demands and the tax payers suffered. Anything the unions want they got. It is nothing specific in this case. They are just mad at cutbacks and the end of handouts.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:44 AM
 
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an ORGANIZED union protest is NOT and ANGRY MOB.
you know what I was comparing them to and the portrayal in the media.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:47 AM
 
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I never said all union members are liberals. That was not a point I was trying to make.
Then your writing style needs some work.
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These union members in New Jersey are ticked off that the first Republican gov in NJ in 12 years came in and made painful but necessary budget cuts that the recent Democratic governors could not do.

Why? because the Democrats in NJ are in bed with the unions. And now that the spoiled unions are not getting spoon fed they are up in arms.

Yet they are not portrayed as an angry mob, they are just using their protesting rights.
I haven't seen the union protestors, so I can't comment on them, but some of the rightwinger protestors I've seen do indeed look like an angry mob. Those who disrupted the town halls last summer were instructed to behave as an angry mob.

There's a huge difference between protesting something that has happened (budget cuts), and something that exists only in the imagination (socialist commie pinko nazi muslim anti-christ).
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:47 AM
 
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SPECIFICALLY, what "painful but necessary" budget cuts? How do you determine whether a budget cut is necessary or not?

"spoiled unions"....."spoon fed"........exactly what do you mean? What are the terms of their contracts?
New Jersey is in dire fiscal straits. Budget cuts are necessary at all levels.

I just meant that past Democratic Govs pandered to the unions. Any demands they had they recieved. ie pensions that were outrageous compared to the private sector, Extrordinary benefits, pay raises at times when the private secotr was cutting back.

Unions in New Jersey were put on a pedestol for too long. It is now time to level the field for the majority of New Jersey taxpayers.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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If you are familiar with NJ politics you would know unions have basically run the state (into the ground that is) for at least the last 2 decades.

Florio, McGreevey, Corzine all pandered to the unions demands and the tax payers suffered. Anything the unions want they got. It is nothing specific in this case. They are just mad at cutbacks and the end of handouts.
It's all the fault of union workers? Is that your claim?
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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Then your writing style needs some work.

I haven't seen the union protestors, so I can't comment on them, but some of the rightwinger protestors I've seen do indeed look like an angry mob. Those who disrupted the town halls last summer were instructed to behave as an angry mob.

There's a huge difference between protesting something that has happened (budget cuts), and something that exists only in the imagination (socialist commie pinko nazi muslim anti-christ).
These unions are protesting budget cuts and the "angry mobs" were protesting budget increases. One is portrayed as a bunch of haters the other is just Americans using their right to protest.

And that socialist commie stuff comes from a fringe. Just like the fringe union bullies carry baseball bats and pipes to their protests.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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We need more governeners like Christie. If this is truly a government of the people, then while the rest of us are making cuts to live within our means, so must our government.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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If you are familiar with NJ politics you would know unions have basically run the state (into the ground that is) for at least the last 2 decades.

Florio, McGreevey, Corzine all pandered to the unions demands and the tax payers suffered. Anything the unions want they got. It is nothing specific in this case. They are just mad at cutbacks and the end of handouts.
I don't care about your broad generalizations about New Jersy politics and the unions' role in the state.

You put up a thread with a very inflammatory title: Public Union Workers Hate.....

Now it's time for you to back up that statement with some facts. What are the facts in the specific union protest you chose to talk about? WHAT SPECIFICALLY do the unions want that you think is unfair, outrageous, and indicates that the PEOPLE who are members of that particular union "hate" their government?

If you don't know the specifics, you're just making a lot of assumptions and broad, sweeping generalizations about "unions".........
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