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Old 04-16-2010, 12:13 PM
 
Location: North America
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While the Constitution does not specifically have the words "separation of chruch and state" in it's text, the words comefrom Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists. The 1st Amendement is commonly referred to as the establishment clause.
Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Also,
The "incorporation doctrine" made sure the States incorporated the Bill of Rights, thereby preventing the states from denying citizens their constitutional rights.

Incorporation of the Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:14 PM
 
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actually I am. That ruling tells me, my right to prayer is unconstitutional

No, the ruling tells you that state sponsored prayer is unconstitutional.

You can pray anytime you want.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I thought it was freedom from a (forced) government sponsored religion like the King of England had in England?

I agree that nobody should be forced by the government to have, or to have a certain type of, religion. But saying the government can't accommodate people of faith because people without faith are being forced to participate by the government against their will is stretching it a bit.
Why do they need to be accommodated?
They can pray wherever and whenever they want without government intervention or support.
They get all the support they need without special consideration.

Think they'd support a national day of anti-prayer?
This gives special consideration to one group over another.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:19 PM
 
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actually I am. That ruling tells me, my right to prayer is unconstitutional
How so?
All it says is that special consideration cannot be provided for those who pray.
It says nothing about your right to pray as you currently do, if you do.
Where is it disallowing you the privilege of praying?

It's just not making you special.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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merriam-webster.com
Main Entry: 1rev·er·end
Pronunciation: \ˈrev-rənd, ˈre-və-; ˈre-vərnd\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin reverendus, gerundive of revereri
Date: 15th century

a : of or relating to the clergy b : being a member of the clergy —used as a title <the Reverend Mr. Doe>


the REVEREND Matrin Luther King being Honored with a holiday is UNconstitutional

see the silliness in that statement

facts are that the democrat Congress established the day in 1952 .

not to MANDATE that we pray... but to have a day to recognize something, a day that we can set asside to reflect.



you seem to have no problem with congress MANDATING that we BUY health insurance.........
Then Mike Huckabee should be banned for running for President, or Al Sharpton.

or In God We Trust should be removed from our money, and Under God needs to be removed from the PoA.

Oh btw, Health Insurance isn't about God.

I know what reverend means. Do not patronize me.

Regardless of the personal beliefs of our Founders, they believed we needed to be a secular nation. They were all types of Faiths, any historian will vouch for that.

But first and foremost they believed there was no place for religion in government and no place for government in religion. Look at Medieval and Renaissance Europe, they weren't stupid.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why do they need to be accommodated?
They can pray wherever and whenever they want without government intervention or support.
They get all the support they need without special consideration.

Think they'd support a national day of anti-prayer?
This gives special consideration to one group over another.
fine..then do away with all 'national days'

why do we need thanksgiving....its a PRAYER DAY... religion...you can give thanks any day
why do we need a christmas/channika.... religion....you can celibrate YOUR OWN b-day
why do we need st paddy's day.... saint...religion....oh that would include getting rid of the New Orleans saints
why do we need a st valinines day....religion....you can give your lover flowers on ANYDAY
why do we need a labor day....maybe we should rename it to entitlement day


see the point
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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But first and foremost they believed there was no place for religion in government and no place for government in religion. .
they believd there was no place for ONE religion

if they believe that religion in general should not be in governnemt...then they wouldnt have a swearing in...etc

again..a national day of prayer, is NOT specifying any one peticular religion

athiests can pray (petition) to their lunchboxes
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Southern NC
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fine..then do away with all 'national days'

why do we need thanksgiving....its a PRAYER DAY... religion...you can give thanks any day
why do we need a christmas/channika.... religion....you can celibrate YOUR OWN b-day
why do we need st paddy's day.... saint...religion....oh that would include getting rid of the New Orleans saints
why do we need a st valinines day....religion....you can give your lover flowers on ANYDAY
why do we need a labor day....maybe we should rename it to entitlement day


see the point
I agree...do away with ALL of them, most were stolen from Pagan rituals anyway. Get your own holidays.
Well, Thanksgiving wasn't Pagan....but the land and everything else they were giving thanks for were stolen from the Indians.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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and America slips further into the decay of liberalism.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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they believd there was no place for ONE religion

if they believe that religion in general should not be in governnemt...then they wouldnt have a swaring in...etc

again..a national day of prayer, is NOT specifying any one peticular religion

athiests can pray (petition) to their lunchboxes
I don't think you understand the point, or if you even care to.

One religion, 50 religions, no religions, it is unconstitutional for any government of the US to give any preference of act or even disingenuousness to any belief.

It's really very simple. But I guess you think it's just a war on Christianity, right?
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