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I don't see how, pulling out isn't scientific and you don't need to buy anything to do it so that may be why you think its a joke but as far as I know you need to ejaculate into the vagina in order for the sperm to move up the woman to the egg and if you ejaculate into a towel or on her (her choice or you get slapped) it doesn't enter her? Sure some people can't hold it or don't know when they are about to climax but for those who do can you explain how it wouldn't work?
Part 1: Ok for those people who don't abstain and ALL methods of birth control fail, they should hopefully be happy they were prepared financially and then yes they should have the baby, its the consequence of not abstaining (which is possible just so you know), and I don't mind if she puts it in for adoption, she needs to know that having sex can create a life, but if she cannot raise the child put it up for an adoption. Commence with you adoption horror stories *prepares the "research adoption agencies rebuttal"*.
Women have gotten pregnant from a guy ejaculating onto a towel or outside their bodies. It happens.
Women have gotten pregnant from a guy ejaculating onto a towel or outside their bodies. It happens.
Please explain or sources otherwise I just cannot believe this anymore than I can believe pigs can fly and even if you can explain or provide a source or two you guys/ladies keep saying yourselves (I say it too) birth control is not 100% effective but for whatever reason I have a feeling more women get pregnant from ejaculation inside the vagina than on a towel or outside their bodies (also please note I will just laugh if you say the woman shoves it back in because then that just defeats the purposes of cumming outside anyway lol).
What is wrong with being selfish? Selfish people shouldn't have children.
You'd be hard pressed to find a doctor who will tie a woman's tubes before she is 30. Still others will not do it until you already have had children. It's not so simple as that.
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Originally Posted by JetJockey
Yep. I haven't been able to find a doctor that will do it until I'm AT LEAST 32 or have AT LEAST one child. Plus, it's I've received quotes around $3500 (plus cost of the hospital stay...and the anesthesia...and everything else involved which is not included, nor covered by most insurances).
I really can't afford that right now....otherwise I'd do it.
Ditto with the two of you above. If I could have that plumbing tied in a knot and burned, I would. No doctor will touch me though until Im old.
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Originally Posted by betamanlet
Yeah, who cares about the baby being killed. it's all about me and what I want.
If you mean that parasitic clump of cells, no, I dont care.
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i think that it is wrong and that a child is a gift from god and not something that you should kill....if you do not want the baby there are plenty of married couples out there that are unable to have childern and would gladly adopt one.
UGH! Children are gifts from God to the people that actually WANT them. To those that do not, they are an absolute curse. And have you checked the statistics on what happens to alot of children who are "put up for adoption"? There are too damn many already.
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Originally Posted by JohKnip
I'm 23 and have never even made out, I'm not a social hermit but i have this thing called self control. Abstinence works if you make it work, if you want to **** around and not give half a **** about anything then their are things in the real world called consequences.
The more and more I read pro-choice posters the more and more I believe their mantra should be:
Pro-Choice, Anti-Consequence
There should be a strict law passed that states only women who are raped or have their physical life in danger (meaning giving birth will kill them) can have abortions otherwise its "you make your bed now you sleep in it" no one can say they don't know they can get pregnant if they know how to have sex.
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As for once abortion becomes illegal, will I feel bad if someone goes to a back alley to kill themselves? Nope not really. Why you ask? They are basically committing suicide doing that, no one is forcing them to go back there; they are making the conscious decision to do it to themselves. Plus once its illegal, if they go and do it anyway they become criminals and all criminals get whats coming to them, I don't make exceptions or forgive criminals like all you pro-choicers seem all to happy to do.
And what of the married couples? Hmm? Do you expect them to be abstinate too? DO you think that once two people get married that means they want children?
What if they use BC, they use condoms, but something happens anyway? You think that they should just pop the kid out even though BOTH people cant stand kids?
Or should it be my fault that no doctor will touch me at my age and tie my damn tubes?
You REALLY dont want people like me having children. I see people as it is every day who should have never had them.
Oh, and hon, there are ways to get rid of that pregnancy without a coathanger that would slip through a law. Where there is a will, there is a way. Capful of Clorox and an 8 oz glass of water, give it 5 minutes and call the ER. An adult will probably live, whatever else is in there wont.
Somebody asks questions "It was sitting in the laudry room next to my drink and I thought it was my Kool Aid". Yes, I knew a woman that did exactly tha to avoid telling her parents. She spent 4 days in the hospital, but guess what? No baby. Exactly her goal.
So no one gets confused I believe betamanlet is saying this because if abortion is made illegal, everyone is saying that women will go and do it anyway (back alley abortions, etc) in turn saying women choose which laws they obey.
Correct me if i'm wrong betamanlet.
everyone chooses what laws to obey and what laws not to. yes if abortion was illegal like before roe v wade women would break the law, put their lives at risk to have abortions. as I have asked before and he won't answer. does he prefer an america where women are forced to have children against their will? forced into a corner that they seek out an illegal solution? abortion should stay legal and safe.
again joh you need to do a bit more reading about biology there are little swimmers that escape before ejaculation that can get a woman pregnant. this is why it is a joke to think it is a viable BC.
(btw you can call me John if you want thats what the Joh in my username means its just a little weird reading Joh xD ok onto the response)
These little swimmers you are referring to I am going to assume it is Pre-*** that you are referring to. If that is the case, that isn't actually sperm. It is a lubrication that comes before the actual sperm to prepare the Urethra for the actual sperm. I know many women read this magazine so i'll use this as my source (if it is not acceptable i'll do my best to find another, its just the first I found and this is basic knowledge for me).
Sex Advice - Love Advice - Cosmopolitan.com (http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/advice/pre-*** - broken link)
As it states it can cause you to become pregnant but not directly only by possibly releasing sperm left over in the Urethra and then have those "left-overs" travel up to the egg.
If this is not what you were referring to please inform me what I am missing so we can have a conversation about it if there is one to be had.
if you really think people can abstain then why is it that most who practice this are in fact truly sexually active just not going "all the way" if you can't truly abstain or see any reason not to have sex at all, even minus the penetration then I would say you at least have some understanding of why it is unreasonable to think that most people would just give up sex. talking about abstaining and still engaged in forms of sex that get you off is hypocritical at best. try really abstaining
While I completely agree that it is hypocritical to say you are abstaining but only just not going all the way, at least they are not. That is really the main idea behind abstaining to prevent pregnancy by going all the way. Also I understand that it is like playing with fire if you are fooling around but not going all the way but if couples can manage it, as hypocritical as it may be, it works to prevent pregnancy which is the main thing.
yes john the pre stuff is what I was talking about and it can get your pregnant. I have no trouble with abstaining or the people who do. I guess I have trouble with the term as it is misleading to use it when you really are having sex.
now you don't make any rational sense, people take BC because they don't want children or are not financially able to care for a child. how could they be happy to find themselves in a position of having a child when they were not ready in any way?
Maybe not happy but, they could get welfare, help from family, have money saved up, something, we should be teaching this, that you have to always have some sort of plan B that does not involve abortion (for reasons I have already stated numerous times in previous posts).
you obviously have never been a parent to be able to causally say a woman should just give up her child for adoption.
Nope I haven't, and if I said it casually I apologize, but if you cause yourself to get pregnant and can't raise the baby you have to make the decision as to wether or not you put the baby up for adoption. I have many friends who are parents, are young, and have had to put babies up for adoption, i'm sure it wasn't easy but they are continuing their lives. I even know a few friends who put their baby up for adoption and still sees her baby quite a few times a year (one of them lives out of state and comes back to see her child 4 times a year for a week). Sexual intercourse is something people have to stop taking so lightly.
perhaps for people your age but I completely disagree with this statement. sex is about more than just making babies, it is about showing love to your partner and it is also about just having fun. to take it so seriously can take the pleasure right out of it.
we as women have choice, we can have a baby or give it up for adoption or have a safe legal abortion. the choice is individual and no one else's business
Ditto with the two of you above. If I could have that plumbing tied in a knot and burned, I would. No doctor will touch me though until Im old.
If you mean that parasitic clump of cells, no, I dont care.
UGH! Children are gifts from God to the people that actually WANT them. To those that do not, they are an absolute curse. And have you checked the statistics on what happens to alot of children who are "put up for adoption"? There are too damn many already.
And what of the married couples? Hmm? Do you expect them to be abstinate too? DO you think that once two people get married that means they want children?
What if they use BC, they use condoms, but something happens anyway? You think that they should just pop the kid out even though BOTH people cant stand kids?
Or should it be my fault that no doctor will touch me at my age and tie my damn tubes?
You REALLY dont want people like me having children. I see people as it is every day who should have never had them.
Oh, and hon, there are ways to get rid of that pregnancy without a coathanger that would slip through a law. Where there is a will, there is a way. Capful of Clorox and an 8 oz glass of water, give it 5 minutes and call the ER. An adult will probably live, whatever else is in there wont.
Somebody asks questions "It was sitting in the laudry room next to my drink and I thought it was my Kool Aid". Yes, I knew a woman that did exactly tha to avoid telling her parents. She spent 4 days in the hospital, but guess what? No baby. Exactly her goal.
I really don't care whether you have a child or not. As for your question, what do you do with married couples who don't want children? As you said tubes tied. No one will touch you, well your probably too young to be having sex then anyway, but because I can't say that (I don't know how old you are), guys can get their tube tied to you know? Or (and I don't endorse this but just pulling it from your second paragraph and rephrasing a little) why not just take 2 caps of clorox more time in the hospital but who knows might make you sterile and happy (god you people are sick [referring to your second paragraph]). God hopes that the people who drink clorox who try and abort don't wake back up (man or woman), lord knows we have too many dumb*****'s in this country.
I really don't care whether you have a child or not. As for your question, what do you do with married couples who don't want children? As you said tubes tied. No one will touch you, well your probably too young to be having sex then anyway, but because I can't say that (I don't know how old you are), guys can get their tube tied to you know? Or (and I don't endorse this but just pulling it from your second paragraph and rephrasing a little) why not just take 2 caps of clorox more time in the hospital but who knows might make you sterile and happy (god you people are sick [referring to your second paragraph]). God hopes that the people who drink clorox who try and abort don't wake back up (man or woman), lord knows we have too many dumb*****'s in this country.
why should people tie their tubes if they might want a child, just not at this time? the example of clorox is what women who have no access to safe abortion will do to stop their pregnancies. it isn't because they are stupid **** as you say but because they are desperate to not have a child. some even fall down flights of stairs in hopes of a miscarriage. just more reasons why abortion needs to stay safe and legal
Because it is in my opinion that "prolifers" (notice the quotes) are the biggest liars, delusional (most being religious), moronic, uneducated, backward, and self centered scum. ESPECIALLY the so called "MEN" who are against abortion in cases of RAPE. They can honestly go to hell in my opinion. All these "prolife" Garbage Old Party "men". You know them.
"Prolifers" are pro life until you are born. After that, f**k you. They claim only liberals have abortions but we all know the religious righties do it when it is good for them. When pro freedom/choicers want to educate children about sex, they whine about thie "Christan" values. When we try to get health care for everyone(which is more pro life than many can hope to be) they WHINE about that too and scream "SOCIALISM".
I am not talking about people who are against abortion in reasonable ways. Like I am against abortion after 3 or 4 months too. But before that, woman comes first. And men? They deserve ZERO say ESPECIALLY in cases of rape.
That is why.
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All these "prolife" Garbage Old Party "men". You know them. 
