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Old 04-16-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Ahh.. Thanks for the correction.

But really, the Library of Congress. Why are they archiving twitters? Are they going to archive your GPS locations, your police records, your emails, what you've bought on ebay?

I mean why archive "twitter" messages? Just seems odd..
Because it provides an accurate snapshot of our culture at that time period.

Much like collecting literature. Magazines. Etc. It's a pretty big stretch that you would associate this with Lib of Congress collecting GPS locations and the like.

The article you link acutally explains why in the first paragraph... which is why I think you just saw a link to this on some forum or website, decided you should be outraged, and reposted it without even reading the article.

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Old 04-16-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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Ahh.. Thanks for the correction.

But really, the Library of Congress. Why are they archiving twitters? Are they going to archive your GPS locations, your police records, your emails, what you've bought on ebay?

I mean why archive "twitter" messages? Just seems odd..
It's slice of life Americana. When they archive newspapers, they include the editorials, the letters to the editor, the cartoons, the Dear Abby column. People 200 years from now may find twitter more indicative of what Americans were thinking about, what the world's population was thinking about, then what's in magazines and newspapers.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:35 PM
 
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Because it provides an accurate snapshot of our culture at that time period.

Much like collecting literature. Magazines. Etc.

The article you link acutally explains why in the first paragraph... which is why I think you just saw a link to this on some forum or website, decided you should be outraged, and reposted it without even reading the article.
I admit I just skimmed the article but you havent discussed the point of the thread.

Whats next, your GPS locations, emails, what you bought on ebay? They are all considered public enformation as well according to the government.

The question I very clearly asked was what next, where will it end, liberals would be outraged had this become public during the Bush years but now its just passed off as "recording of the culture"..

Are these forums next to be archived by the government? Obviously I expect cd to be archiving them, but who/what gives the government the authority to start to copy everything taking place in society and how much is enough?
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:35 PM
 
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And you agree to this when you sign up to Twitter.

Twitter / Twitter Terms of Service

You agree that you can be tracked via GPS when you sign up for GPS Services.
Your Ebay purchase history belongs to Ebay and they can use it in any way they wish, you agree to that when you sign up for their services.
Your emails are property of the email service that they reside on, you agree to that when you sign up for their services.

If you don't like that, than don't sign up for those types of services.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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And you agree to this when you sign up to Twitter.

Twitter / Twitter Terms of Service
The TOS says that the information might become public and that tweets follow the jursdiction of California, it says nothing about being archived or that all of the information is being turned over to the government for archiving.

Lets look at another example..

Say the Library of Congress wanted to begin to archive every tv show being produced, after all, it also represents a snapshot of todays society. This would violate the law, but given the excuse "snapshot of society" would you support it?

Other examples, local county website have name addresses of property owners recorded online, should the library of congress record this info as well? Should they archive every single phone number in america and who those numbers are assigned to? That information is also public.

The question again, is HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?

I recently got into a discussion with another business owner who was selling their mailing lists, and other business owners had outrage because of privacy concerns. Many would be outraged finding that their personal information was sold to other businesses, but somehow we just make excuses because this is for historical information..
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:47 PM
 
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You agree that you can be tracked via GPS when you sign up for GPS Services.
Do you agree to have the GPS locations published and archived, so others in the future could know where, when you went?
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Your Ebay purchase history belongs to Ebay and they can use it in any way they wish, you agree to that when you sign up for their services.
Ahh no.. nothing in the ebay user agreement would allow ebay to publish or turn over your transactions to the government for archiving purposes...
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Your emails are property of the email service that they reside on, you agree to that when you sign up for their services.
Again, find me ONE email service provider that tells you they can/will turn over your emails for the public to go through.. JUST ONE..

I run my own email servers, but still my emails are considered public according to the government. I sure in the hell didnt authorize myself to turn over my emails without my own concent.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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Do you agree to have the GPS locations published and archived, so others in the future could know where, when you went?

Ahh no.. nothing in the ebay user agreement would allow ebay to publish or turn over your transactions to the government for archiving purposes...

Again, find me ONE email service provider that tells you they can/will turn over your emails for the public to go through.. JUST ONE..

I run my own email servers, but still my emails are considered public according to the government. I sure in the hell didnt authorize myself to turn over my emails without my own concent.
Your e-mails aren't considered public, according to the government. There are ongoing cases, as is always the case with new technologies, about what privacy standards apply to e-mails. Just because one branch of the government has taken a position, doesn't mean that that position is the position of the entire government. We have three branches of government. All juxtaposed against one another.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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Your e-mails aren't considered public, according to the government. There are ongoing cases, as is always the case with new technologies, about what privacy standards apply to e-mails. Just because one branch of the government has taken a position, doesn't mean that that position is the position of the entire government. We have three branches of government. All juxtaposed against one another.
Find me one branch of government who says they are private..
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Old 04-16-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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Find me one branch of government who says they are private..
I don't have to. Can you find me one law that says they are not?

I've already explained to you that the matter is currently in the courts.

And that would be a topic for another thread.

This thread, that you started, is about tweets. Which are like those little blurbs that appear at the bottom of MTV when they open their airways to public comments. Are you under the impression that anyone who sends those little blurbs has an expectation of privacy?
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Old 04-16-2010, 01:23 PM
 
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Do you agree to have the GPS locations published and archived, so others in the future could know where, when you went?
I think it's dumb, but you agree to it when you use those services. If you don't like it, don't use it.

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Ahh no.. nothing in the ebay user agreement would allow ebay to publish or turn over your transactions to the government for archiving purposes...
It states that all data is the property of ebay to do with as they wish. If they wish to give the info to the Government, they can... again, if you don't like it, don't use it.

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Again, find me ONE email service provider that tells you they can/will turn over your emails for the public to go through.. JUST ONE..
Again, it will state that data is property of the email provider to do with as they wish... if you don't like it, don't use it

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I run my own email servers, but still my emails are considered public according to the government. I sure in the hell didnt authorize myself to turn over my emails without my own concent.
Care to show me where the Government ruled that emails are public?

You run your own servers, but who provides you with the server space?

You might want to read your contract with your hosting company
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