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Old 04-16-2010, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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the tea party movement has come out with a 10 point program based on a popular vote from the movement.
For all you tea party bashers. Here is your chance to say which of these points you object too. see if you can .


The Contract from America
1. Protect the Constitution

Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does. (82.03%)
2. Reject Cap & Trade

Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures. (72.20%)
3. Demand a Balanced Budget

Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)
4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform

Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words—the length of the original Constitution. (64.90%)
5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington

Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)
6. End Runaway Government Spending

Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)
7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care

Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted by state boundaries. (56.39%)
8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy

Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51%)
9. Stop the Pork

Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)
10. Stop the Tax Hikes

Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38%)
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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At least the Republicans Contract with America made some sense.
This is just using buzz words and handing America over to corporate interests.

But that is what the folks at Freedom Works wants.
Eliminate the government, bow down to the corporation.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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At least the Republicans Contract with America made some sense.
This is just using buzz words and handing America over to corporate interests.

But that is what the folks at Freedom Works wants.
Eliminate the government, bow down to the corporation.
So which points are you discussing? So you mean backing the Constitution and wanting to balance the budget is for corporations.
Can you explain how for the sake of discussion
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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So which points are you discussing? So you mean backing the Constitution and wanting to balance the budget is for corporations.
Can you explain how for the sake of discussion
Once you take government out of the picture, corporations not people, rule.
It's that simple.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:15 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Once you take government out of the picture, corporations not people, rule.
It's that simple.
So you don't think that corporations, which are fictional preferred entities, are not a creation of government?
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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So you don't think that corporations, which are fictional preferred entities, are not a creation of government?
They were self created to side step government (and gain a advantage over the average citizen or groups of citizens).
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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9. Stop the Pork

Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)
OK, no more earmarks for any political party, including REPUBLICANS. You'll see some eye rolling from the right on this one.

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10. Stop the Tax Hikes

Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38%)
But President Obama has cut taxes. What's the BEEF?
I could go on and dissect everything this thread is about, but many people lack to obtain the information required on their own, instead, they throw in with a "tea party" because it SOUNDS GOOD, and nothing else. Oh BTW, the tea-partyers are supposed to be the highly educated and well to do American minority (elitists), why would they want to cut off their noses to spite their faces? It would be like killing the sacred cow they all have come to enjoy the benefits of.

ONE MORE NOTE: Cap & Trade.
Trading energy polluting for $$$, this has been going on since the 1960's. Cap and trade is a DIFFERENT NAME for it.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:25 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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They were self created to side step government (and gain a advantage over the average citizen or groups of citizens).
But "government" made and enforces the laws which grant these fictional entities the power that they have. We have a Government/Business Collusion. Worring about only half of the gang will never change anything.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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the tea party movement has come out with a 10 point program based on a popular vote from the movement.
For all you tea party bashers. Here is your chance to say which of these points you object too. see if you can .


The Contract from America

1. Protect the Constitution

Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does. (82.03%)
Every bill is scanned over by lawyers, and I'd say 99% of them that pass, are constitutional. With the broad view we have of the Constitution today, almost anything is legal. Silly rule.

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2. Reject Cap & Trade

Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures. (72.20%)
Why would cap and trade increase unemployment? We are falling behind other nations in green energy, because we don't have a national policy on carbon emissions.

That, and people keep telling you that gas is so much cheaper than anything else. Do you really think we'd be in Iraq, if it weren't for oil? We wouldn't have to fight terrorists with as much as we do, because they wouldn't have the money to attack. Iran wouldn't have the money for a Nuclear bomb, if we weren't dependent on oil.

So, when you factor in Wars, foreign policy, and our soldiers lives, is oil really that much cheaper?

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3. Demand a Balanced Budget

Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)
I do agree we need to have an amendment for a balanced budget, but requiring a 2/3 majority for a tax hike, would be the death of this country.

There would also need to be a stipulation that, during times of war, taxes should be raised to pay for the war, but we can go into debt to pay for the war in its immediate need. After the war, taxes should remain higher, until the war debt is paid in full.

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4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform

Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words—the length of the original Constitution. (64.90%)
Agree, flat tax, across the board. Everyone pay 20% of their income, rich, poor, middle class, everyone. No other federal taxes.

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5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington

Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)
So you want to create more government?


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6. End Runaway Government Spending

Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)
Unrealistic. The government has to think ahead of the curve of inflation. We would have never gone to the moon, developed the internet, or lots of other things if that happened.

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7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care

Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted by state boundaries. (56.39%)
No, fix some of the issues in the healthcare bill, but repeal, and not funding it aren't real options.

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8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy

Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51%)
I'll put this in caps, so you understand it

WE DON'T HAVE PROVEN RESERVES TO FUEL OUR ECONOMY, FOR EVEN ONE YEAR

Now, if you want to start using natural gas, and coal, good. However, we should also be involved, heavily, in the search for a cheap, reliable, solar panel, wind, tidal, and nuclear. Thats the future, not fossil fuels.

We spend 700 billion dollars on foreign oil, every year. Thats money that doesn't come back, it goes away. Domestic energy will fix this, but oil is old news. Even the oil industry said, if ALL of the restrictions were removed on them today, it would take 10 years before a single drop of oil would get to the market, and they don't know if there is more out there to get.

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9. Stop the Pork

Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)
Just ban earmarks, and be done with it.

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10. Stop the Tax Hikes

Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38%)
No, we need to raise taxes to pay down the debt. Tea Party members are polled as supporting 90% of the budget, as it is today. We should lower our military spending, then repeal the Bush tax cuts, that obviously didn't work, and pay down the debt.

Then, after the debt is paid off, we start talking about repealing tax hikes.

This is what I don't get, Tea Party members are all about lowering taxes, and paying down the debt. You can't do both.

And I totally disagree with the "death tax". I think that all money over 250,000 thats inherited by a relative, should be taxed at 75%. Your daddy may have worked for his money, but you didn't. Put it back in the system, and work to make your own way.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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But "government" made and enforces the laws which grant these fictional entities the power that they have. We have a Government/Business Collusion. Worring about only half of the gang will never change anything.

I fear the corporation more then I fear our elected government.
(I work for a corporate entity that I'm sure you trust......I don't)

Glad Memphis (post #9) went point by point. (I agree 100% with some of his/her points).

Again - it's a feel good pat yourself on the back buzz word document. Nothing more.
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