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Old 04-22-2010, 01:48 PM
 
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That is the title of the lead editorial in today's WSJ. The writer takes the President to task for his habit of demonizing and vilifying political opponents and attributing the basest motives to their opposition. He concludes that this president is nothing if not divisive in his rhetoric.

By way of comment I would simply add that the way President Bush's rhetoric was treated by the Left stands in sharp contrast to the latitude President Obama is accorded. Remember how shocked and outraged the Left was when Mr. Bush called out our enemies and described Iran, Iraq and North Korea the "axis of evil?" But not a peep from them when the presidential target is, not our enemies, but Republicans and talk show hosts and tv networks and, even, fellow citizens who make up the Tea Party movement.

Mr. Obama may have the ability to turn a phrase that tickles the ears of left wing elites. But in my book he's a boorish person, totally lacking in class.
JimMe !!! ... A Most Accurate Assessment !

Once again the American People, unfortunately are witnessing a gross "Leadership Vaccum" in the WH.

This nation desperately needs an effective leader in the Oval Office who eagerly puts the interests of America and it's "Legal" citizens first !

The shocking amount of inexperience, ineptitude, and arrogance exhibited by this Administration is incomprehensible !

America has stumbled forward for the last 30 years without an effective leader in the WH !!! The American people deserve so much better than this absolutely insane record of pathetic POTUS !

When this current crew receives the "Big Boot" in 2012 what will America receive as a replacement ? May the Saint's preserve us all !!!

Thank You /Old lamar
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Old 04-22-2010, 01:59 PM
 
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Hypocritical rhetoric, divisiveness, contempt and impatience for those who disagree. These are turning out to be the mainstay of Obama's style of 'leadership'. Is it any wonder this country is so divided?

A true statesman knows how to engage those that oppose, acknowledge differences with respect, while still advancing their agenda. Obama derides, ridicules and steam-rolls. A statesman he is not.
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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Hypocritical rhetoric, divisiveness, contempt and impatience for those who disagree. These are turning out to be the mainstay of Obama's style of 'leadership'. Is it any wonder this country is so divided?

A true statesman knows how to engage those that oppose, acknowledge differences with respect, while still advancing their agenda. Obama derides, ridicules and steam-rolls. A statesman he is not.
It's a two-way street. Using Palin's terms, one cannot engage the party of "hell-no."
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:09 PM
 
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It's a two-way street. Using Palin's terms, one cannot engage the party of "hell-no."
As President, he sets the tone. "We won, we write the bill" were the first words uttered related to bipartisanship. He's done little to change that tone.
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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As President, he sets the tone. "We won, we write the bill" were the first words uttered related to bipartisanship. He's done little to change that tone.
They weren't the first words uttered, they were uttered by Pelosi, a representative of a separate branch of the government. Or are you willing to make previous Presidents responsible for every legislative utterance?
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:24 PM
 
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They weren't the first words uttered, they were uttered by Pelosi, a representative of a separate branch of the government. Or are you willing to make previous Presidents responsible for every legislative utterance?
Uttered by Pelosi as Obama handed off the crafting of the bill. Those words were not later tempered in any way by Obama. He reinforced them with is comments of "same old ideas, same old cable chatter" when speaking of the republicans efforts to be included.

So in this case, yes, I hold him responsible for the harsh partisan attitude that has been present since the beginning. He didn't say those words, but his actions didn't disavow them either.
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:28 PM
 
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I think that the WSJ was very tolerant when the previous President would make remarks like either you supported him and his administration or you supported terrorism. That's divisive.

The nature of partisan politics is its divisiveness. The current President's rhetoric hasn't seemed that boorish to me. But then I support him, and you don't. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, as is the Wall Street Journal. But all in all, I think it's politics as usual.
I'm glad you raised that remark by Bush. What he actually said was "You're either with us or you're against us." The 'us' he was referring to was not his administration but America. And it was not directed at his political opponents but at countries harboring and supporting terrorists. He was putting those countries on notice that the U.S. would no longer turn a blind eye to countries that did nothing to root out terror networks operating within their borders. By giving terrorists free rein within their borders these countries would be treated as our enemies. So, yes, to the extent that Bush drew a line in the sand and forced other countries to choose a side in this war I guess he was divisive. But again it was aimed at our enemies, not our own citizens.
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:29 PM
 
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Oh, please. Don't you remember the Bush-Kerry debates?

How many times did Bush say, "He's the most liberal senator from the most liberal state in America."
And that's offensive how?
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Old 04-22-2010, 04:57 PM
 
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That is the title of the lead editorial in today's WSJ. The writer takes the President to task for his habit of demonizing and vilifying political opponents and attributing the basest motives to their opposition. He concludes that this president is nothing if not divisive in his rhetoric.

By way of comment I would simply add that the way President Bush's rhetoric was treated by the Left stands in sharp contrast to the latitude President Obama is accorded. Remember how shocked and outraged the Left was when Mr. Bush called out our enemies and described Iran, Iraq and North Korea the "axis of evil?" But not a peep from them when the presidential target is, not our enemies, but Republicans and talk show hosts and tv networks and, even, fellow citizens who make up the Tea Party movement.

Mr. Obama may have the ability to turn a phrase that tickles the ears of left wing elites. But in my book he's a boorish person, totally lacking in class.
Where is all that UNITY he promised in the campaign? He certainly doesn't speak with a unifying tone. Americans are on to Obama....most realize he needs an enemy to make himself look better. It isn't working.
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