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Old 07-16-2012, 03:01 PM
 
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Spin-machine hogwash.

There is a further question of whether the worker-to-retiree ratio is even the right number to be looking at. Retirees are not the only group that depends on current workers for their support. Children do also, as well as the sick, the institutionalized, the disabled, and so forth.
You forgot to mention the lazy. Just think, if the lazy would work, then the gov can give more to the people who truly can't work.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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Obama has provided the largest tax cut in history. Bigger than Reagan's. Bigger than either of Bush's. He did that in the stimulus bill. Right-wingers love tax cuts. Right-wingers hate the stimulus bill. Go figure. They're just one very confused lot, I guess...

This is true. Obama cut taxes by $250 billion for the average American in the stimulus bill (the other $500 billion was aid to states: healthcare, education, infrastructure; and unemployment benefits for people who needed it). Now that he wants to end the W Bush taxcuts for the top 2% the GOP is calling him a communist tax raiser.

Logic has escaped the GOP since Obama's election.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:04 PM
 
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:06 PM
 
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He promised a lot of things, many fallen on the wayside and forgotten.

Such is the life of a politician..say what they want to hear to get the votes. Once you are in office, then anything goes.

They'll rev back up the "promise" machine near election time. Too bad many will forget and will vote based on the "hope" of the new promises.

I tend to disagree. Barack Obama is not your average politician full of promises that he can't keep. He's a politician who fully believed he could keep the promises made, and in the process exposed himself to be the most inept, incompetent fraud to grace the Oval Office this side of the Great Depression.

He didn't just make promises.....he lied his way to the top and took America down with it in the process.....including the millions of deluded pawns who still believe he's a walking, talking, messiah. We are a more ignorant nation now because of Barack Obama and his lofty rhetoric.

No, Barack Obama is not an ordinary politician. I refuse to let liberals off the hook for their horrendous mistake.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:16 PM
 
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It seems that 30 million people will "get" to pay more taxes next year. Not income taxes but Obama didn't say just income taxes in his promises.
Your right roysoldboy, Ob tried to extend the Bush tax cuts for $250K and below but he was willing to extend these tax cuts only for one year. After the one year is up, everyone, well those not on the dole will pay more in taxes.

If he did not want to raise taxes on everyone, why didn't he try to get the Bush tax cuts extended indefinitely??

He worded his speech in such a way that people only heard "tax the rich" and totally missed the one year part lol.

EVERYONE will pay more taxes. Thats what he is doing for you.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well when he said that everyone thought "income taxes". He's gone and raised every other TAX you pay though.
So he sorta, kinda kept his promise if you read his words the right way
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Your right roysoldboy, Ob tried to extend the Bush tax cuts for $250K and below but he was willing to extend these tax cuts only for one year. After the one year is up, everyone, well those not on the dole will pay more in taxes.

If he did not want to raise taxes on everyone, why didn't he try to get the Bush tax cuts extended indefinitely??

He worded his speech in such a way that people only heard "tax the rich" and totally missed the one year part lol.

EVERYONE will pay more taxes. Thats what he is doing for you.
Will everyone pay more in income taxes? Will all of us get to pay payroll taxes again?
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Well when he said that everyone thought "income taxes". He's gone and raised every other TAX you pay though.
So he sorta, kinda kept his promise if you read his words the right way
But he and his people keep saying that he has caused middle class people to see 18 cuts in taxes. I wonder which taxes that could be. I guess it has something to do with how you read or hear his words.
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