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Old 04-30-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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Hows that Drill Baby Drill slogan working for ya LA, MS, Al, FL?

How's the tires on your car?
Or the gas in the tank, or the tires on the bus you ride, or the plastic keyboard you're typing on, etc etc etc
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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Americans aren't going to really care that an area that has one fourth of the country's wetlands is compromised by this disaster-they will still want to be able to drive two blocks in their cars to the local mall to shop-drilling will go on- the Exxon Valdez disaster didn't change any attitudes- Americans will not learn to live without oil until it is all sucked out of the ground- no matter what the cost to the earth-

I have no car by the way- I ride my bicycle or take the bus-and if it were up to me- Marijuana would be legal so we could use hemp all to replace a lot of petroleum uses in manufacturing-
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:09 PM
 
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I see you are still confused. When the spill intitially happens it is the company's responsibility, but once it endangers the coast lines of several states, it's a different story.

I see you don't remember the mayor saying he didn't need help because he was going to dispatch the busses to start evacuating people, but when he finally got around to it, they were all under water, then he realized things were out of control and asked for help. That is a completely different subject though.
At 4:00 PM on Sunday, August 28th, "National Hurricane Center Meteorologist Chris Lauer said Katrina was still on track to hit the New Orleans area as a devastating Category 5 hurricane as its eye comes ashore" on Monday morning, August 29th, Gordon Russell wrote in The Times-Picayune.
Also, on Sunday, August 28th, Max Mayfield, still "worried about Hurricane Katrina ... even talked about the force of Katrina during a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas."
"In his first extensive interview since resigning as FEMA director" on September 12th, Michael D. Brown "declined to blame President Bush or the White House for his removal or for the flawed response," New York Times' David D. Kirkpatrick and Scott Shane wrote September 15, 2005.
"But Mr. Brown's account, in which he described making 'a blur of calls' all week to Mr. Chertoff, Mr. Card and Mr. Hagin, suggested that Mr. Bush, or at least his top aides, were informed early and repeatedly by the top federal official at the scene that state and local authorities were overwhelmed and that the overall response was going badly,"
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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At 4:00 PM on Sunday, August 28th, "National Hurricane Center Meteorologist Chris Lauer said Katrina was still on track to hit the New Orleans area as a devastating Category 5 hurricane as its eye comes ashore" on Monday morning, August 29th, Gordon Russell wrote in The Times-Picayune.
Also, on Sunday, August 28th, Max Mayfield, still "worried about Hurricane Katrina ... even talked about the force of Katrina during a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas."
"In his first extensive interview since resigning as FEMA director" on September 12th, Michael D. Brown "declined to blame President Bush or the White House for his removal or for the flawed response," New York Times' David D. Kirkpatrick and Scott Shane wrote September 15, 2005.
"But Mr. Brown's account, in which he described making 'a blur of calls' all week to Mr. Chertoff, Mr. Card and Mr. Hagin, suggested that Mr. Bush, or at least his top aides, were informed early and repeatedly by the top federal official at the scene that state and local authorities were overwhelmed and that the overall response was going badly,"
Regardless of the nitwit Nagin and the dumb ***** governor at the time, the Federal government should have stepped in immediately when Katrina was a danger to several U.S states coastlines. In any emergency response whether its a natural or man made disaster, you always plan for the worst case scenario, volunteer fireman even know that. As soon as the rig blew up Obama should of had every available oil clean up crew on site assesing the situation. Who in their right mind would take BP's word for it.What do you think BP was going to say?, exactly what they said, "we can handle it", "its not that bad". I work on the docks for a major northeast refinery and the Coast Guard is there all day watching us to make sure NOT ONE DRIP of oil, diesel, or any petroleum product hits the Delaware river, and I mean ONE DRIP. This was/ is an oil well, WTF did people think was going to happen. Just knowing I am better suited to run FEMA than Mike Brown or the idiot Obama has is scary.The hurricane wasn't Bush's fault as the oil rig explosion wasn't Obama's. Its the response when a disaster happens that makes or breaks a president. In these two cases both men failed miserably.

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Old 04-30-2010, 03:43 PM
 
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According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the estimate for proven offshore Gulf of Mexico reserves amount to 3.464 billion barrels, the U.S. consumes 19, 498,000 barrels a day!

You do the math.

And?
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Really?

I saw every news outlet, including Fox, saying that clean up from an oil spill, lies squarely on the shoulders of the company, not the government.

Also, I remember, the day after Katrina, Ray Naygun standing in front of news outlets begging for Federal aid, and none got in until 3 days after the Hurricane hit.

Do you have proof that LA didn't ask for help, until 3 days after the storm?
The government response to Hurricane Katrina was by far the largest- and fastest- rescue effort in U.S. history, with nearly 100,000 emergency personnel arriving on the scene within 3 days of landfall.

Dozens of National Guard and Coast Guard helicopters flew rescue operations that first day- some just 2 hours after Katrina hit the coast. Hoistless Army helicopters improvised rescues, carefully hovering on rooftops to pick up survivors. On the ground, guardsmen had to chop their way through, moving trees and recreating roadways, according to Jack Harrison of the National Guard.

By the end of the the week, 50,000 National Guard troops in the Gulf Coast region had saved 17,000 people and 4,000 Coast Guard personnel saved more than 33,000 people.
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Default How long into the oil spill before FEMA will address it?

Bush caught hell for not warning people and prepositioning resources for help within the 5 days leading up to Katrina, then he caught hell for not dealing with it soon enough after the hurricane hit.

So how long before FEMA even acknowledges the disastrous oil spill threatening to cause a disaster in Louisiana and Mississippi, Florida and Georgia?

0bama has had nine days to something, anything to head off the oil spill with federal assistance, and did nothing at all, now its hitting the shores and 0bama send some global warming people, and some non oil drilling engineer admin types to take look, which means he is doing absolutely nothing.

I visited the FEMA WEB site today and it does not even mention the BP oil spill.

FEMA: News Releases

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FEMA Mission;
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FEMA’s mission is to support our citizens and first responders to ensure that as a nation we work together to build, sustain, and improve our capability to prepare for, protect against, respond to, recover from, and mitigate all hazards.

DISASTER. It strikes anytime, anywhere. It takes many forms -- a hurricane, an earthquake, a tornado, a flood, a fire or a hazardous spill, an act of nature or an act of terrorism. It builds over days or weeks, or hits suddenly, without warning. Every year, millions of Americans face disaster, and its terrifying consequences.
So when it comes to the oil spill, where/when will FEMA do the following?:

prepare for
protect against
respond to
recover from
and mitigate all hazards
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:59 PM
 
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Bush had this set up months before leaving office.

Wait until you see what he has planned next....
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Actually Obama has already called out FEMA and the Coast Guard and the oil companies are taking care of the spill. Too bad the oil company lied about how much oil is actaully leaking and how bad the spill is.
By the way, to compare a storm that killed over a thousand americans to an oil spill is stupid.
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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There's a difference between a "natural disaster" and the effects they have, and a man-made disaster, which is a corporate responsibility to clean up.
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