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Old 04-27-2010, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Ignoring the original intent will only lead us to tyranny, bankruptcy and destruction of the republic. Well, we're getting close to that actually...
The original intent isn't supposed to be what YOU want it to be. Take, for example, separation of church and state. What was the original intent? Do you agree with it? Or, do you believe there was no "original intent" with regard to it?
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:00 PM
 
Location: southern california
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What do you think about theories of Constitutional Law?
law theory comes from the heart and ethics of those that expound it.
if they are low on the moral development plain-- their theories will reflect that lowness. we are in a mental state now of moral decay unlike the colonial period. you may track the great art and music of colonial period on the same ascending and later descending plain as you do theory of law.
right now we are in a nose dive. buckle up.
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The original intent isn't supposed to be what YOU want it to be. Take, for example, separation of church and state. What was the original intent? Do you agree with it? Or, do you believe there was no "original intent" with regard to it?
I thought this thread was about language that appears in the Constitution?
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:23 PM
 
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page 1469

The Supreme Court and the Constitution

To Justice William Johnson, June 12, 1823


http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/ot2...f+construction
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Be careful about quote-mining. Basing political arguments around out of context quotes (which aren't necessarily correct by virtue of being said by Jefferson) is unwise. I imagine a lot of Jefferson quotes would be in opposition to things you support, and Jefferson himself went against several of his famous quotes.
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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The original intent isn't supposed to be what YOU want it to be. Take, for example, separation of church and state. What was the original intent? Do you agree with it? Or, do you believe there was no "original intent" with regard to it?

There is no "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. It comes from letters that Jefferson wrote.
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Old 04-28-2010, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Thomas Jefferson was a libertarian. No doubt about that. No way in hell he would support the democratic party today. No way in hell.

I don't know about Palinn or Baoehner. I can say Beck has called for the elimination of the Federal Reserve. But he is pro-bank? LOLs.

If Thomas Jefferson were alive today he would be a Ron Paul libertarian.

But if you want go ahead and claim that rich white slave owner as a lib. LOLs.
Rebelling against the status quo--the government in charge--is definitely NOT a conservative viewpoint. Those were the Loyalists...I believe they were also called Tories.
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:03 AM
 
Location: PA
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Thomas Jefferson was a libertarian. No doubt about that. No way in hell he would support the democratic party today. No way in hell.

I don't know about Palinn or Baoehner. I can say Beck has called for the elimination of the Federal Reserve. But he is pro-bank? LOLs.

If Thomas Jefferson were alive today he would be a Ron Paul libertarian.

But if you want go ahead and claim that rich white slave owner as a lib. LOLs.

Thomas Jefferson would be Ron Paul's supporter and thank you for pointing that out.

Also considering the context of the constitution and when it was written
I think it would best of the people READ The federalist papers and anti-federalist papers. That is the big debate while we wrote the constitution.
Notice the anti-federalist papers which debated large government and local and state controls. Debate is needed when discusssing liberty and to restrain the power of the federal government.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I thought this thread was about language that appears in the Constitution?
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There is no "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. It comes from letters that Jefferson wrote.
To quote arctichomesteader, a fellow C-D poster, and I hope he/she meant it: "Ignoring the original intent will only lead us to tyranny"

The constitution does not have it verbatim, but aren't the original intents on each subject reflected in what Jefferson said subsequently? No?
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