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The original CBO cost estimates turned out the way they did because they came up with surprisingly low long-term savings from expansions in routine testing and other forms of preventive care. The bill was reworked. The CBO cost estimates you refer to are obsolete. HHS and Social Security actuaries use the most pessimistic sets of assumptions anywhere. They have been consistently über-gloomy for decades. And there is nothing in the health care bill to prevent its amendment and adjustment should cost/benefit projections prove to be out of kilter. Today's Social Security Act as amended looks nothing like the original. It has been modified and updated over and over again to reflect new conditions and new information. The same will happen with health care. Try to be more of a realist...
You shouldn't use social "security" as an example of government competence. It will be $25 billion in the hole this year.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "
There has been no more glarng example of this premise than the Conservative thought machine. Whatever rumor, no matter how far from the truth is grist for the mill for the con blogs.
"...One of the more striking features of the contemporary conservative movement is the extent to which it has been moving toward epistemic closure. Reality is defined by a multimedia array of interconnected and cross promoting conservative blogs, radio programs, magazines, and of course, Fox News. Whatever conflicts with that reality can be dismissed out of hand because it comes from the liberal media, and is therefore ipso facto not to be trusted. (How do you know they're liberal? Well, they disagree with the conservative media!)"
HA! There is the BIG lie! That is the mantra of the progressives all day long. You actually think you can pull off that switch? Libs will try anything
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "
There has been no more glarng example of this premise than the Conservative thought machine. Whatever rumor, no matter how far from the truth is grist for the mill for the con blogs.
"...One of the more striking features of the contemporary conservative movement is the extent to which it has been moving toward epistemic closure. Reality is defined by a multimedia array of interconnected and cross promoting conservative blogs, radio programs, magazines, and of course, Fox News. Whatever conflicts with that reality can be dismissed out of hand because it comes from the liberal media, and is therefore ipso facto not to be trusted. (How do you know they're liberal? Well, they disagree with the conservative media!)"
I have one small question for you....How did building 7 fall down on 9/11?
The right you so love is using a tactic of the Nazis. You apparently have no problem with that.
Have any examples to prove this?
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If the left is so predictable, how come the right never wins an argument?
Really? I don't see leftists winning any arguments here. All I see are accusations, and a lot of hate filled rhetoric, but no arguments in support of any position.
Leftists are good at saying, "I think this", or, "I think that", but they never make a case for their position.
At least we conservatives know why we think what we do.
Really? I don't see leftists winning any arguments here. All I see are accusations, and a lot of hate filled rhetoric, but no arguments in support of any position.
Leftists are good at saying, "I think this", or, "I think that", but they never make a case for their position.
At least we conservatives know why we think what we do.
Yes!!!!!...to the highlighted portion
It's kinda like the left person put a clean t-shirt on this morning, but then we meet them later on at the bus stop, and try to tell them, "Hey there's a sticker on the back of your shirt saying STICK IT UP MY REAR" and they will come back with a response like, "You're an idiot why do you believe that nonsense when I know for sure I put a clean shirt on this morning?"
Little do they know that even though I never mentioned the part about the sticker being actually placed on the back of their shirt the liberals will still never investigate when or where this happened because they cannot believe that anyone would do this to them that day because the sun was out and it was their birthday.
All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach. –Adolph Hitler
Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice. –Adolph Hitler
If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed. –Adolph Hitler
It is not truth that matters, but victory. –Adolph Hitler
Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. –Adolph Hitler
The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. –Adolph Hitler
We could keep this up all day.
Thank you for posting that. These are all things that we are getting from the leftist (Democrats/Progressives) today, are they not?
As an example: We have been told for so long that "Global Warming" was a fact, and it was caused by man. Though many of us never believed it, a majority of Americans were convinced (simply because they were being told). Then, we find out the truth. There was no evidence. It was all manufactured. It was a lie; a hoax. And it was done for the single purpose of advancing a left wing "environmental" agenda.
Thank you for posting that. These are all things that we are getting from the leftist (Democrats/Progressives) today, are they not?
As an example: We have been told for so long that "Global Warming" was a fact, and it was caused by man. Though many of us never believed it, a majority of Americans were convinced (simply because they were being told). Then, we find out the truth. There was no evidence. It was all manufactured. It was a lie; a hoax. And it was done for the single purpose of advancing a left wing "environmental" agenda.
let's remind them what you mean by environmental agenda in this case....It means taxing us for something that occurs naturally liberals just in case you ask, "What agenda?" ....lol
Exactly! There's an old saying.........."what's good for the goose, is good for the gander".
All of you closed minded partisan hacks have been duped, and brainwashed into following one team or the other. You're so busy rooting for your team to win, that you've lost sight of whats good for the country as a whole.
Your team getting to the finish line first, at any cost is all that matters, even to your own personal detriment. Even if you sell out your neighbors, your fellow countrymen, and your own children's future.
Turn off all the talking heads on the radio and the TV, and just digest the raw information, without the biases from the editorialists. And develop some common sense. There's precious little of it left anywhere these days......
Yachtcare has spoken.......
I believe that what's good for the country as a whole is the form of government that our founders established, and the Constitution that limits it's powers. It seems to me that conservatives best represent and articulate the founders positions on any issue.
Rush Limbaugh (one whom you may be referring to above) has been steeped in the Constitution and American History from boyhood, and he knows what being an American, and freedom and liberty is all about. His father was a lawyer, and there are also judges in his family. Thus, his opinions and views are always from the position of the founders.
Leftists (Liberals/Progressives) have been taught wrongly that the Constitution is a "living" document, and it's interpretation subject to current societal mores. If that is the case, then the Constitution is meaningless, because it's meaning is subject to anyone's interpretation. This is exactly what we have seen in recent decades, and why "case law" is more important than "Constitutional law" in our law schools, and in court decisions.
The "progressive movement", now around a hundred years old, is a Marxist/Socialist movement. They seek to render the Constitution irrelevant, and they are succeeding. Obama's policies are "progressive", and he admits to being a follower of Marx. He surrounded himself with Marxists, socialists, and radicals, he says, and he has surrounded himself with them in the White House. He was steeped in socialism as a young boy. It is at the core of his being, and he does not hide it. When he said he was going to "fundamentally change the United States of America", that is what he meant.
Is it any wonder we find ourselves in the position we are in today, with an out of control government that ignores the Constitution, does what they want, ignoring the will of the people, and a President with no regard for the law or the Constitution (his takeover of G.M. was not only unconstitutional, but the deal he forced on bondholders was in violation of law).
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Very true and is constantly demonstrated by many here and pointed out by others here. How can they not see it? Or worse, how can they defend it, and clutch it tighter?
That Roger Ailes is a genius I tell ya... world's greatest psychologist.
Here's one of the articles that article mentions:
Democracy Corps » The Very Separate World of Conservative Republicans (http://www.democracycorps.com/focus/2009/10/the-very-separate-world-of-conservative-republicans/?section=Analysis - broken link)
Of course we all know how unbiased James Carville is!
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