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2. Diversity sounds great, until one realizes that diversity means high crime. One very liberal town in Iowa, Iowa City, was preoccupied with "diversity" . They sought to bring in a more "diverse" population and be like the rest of the country. Now a nice university town has a very high crime rate and kids don't feel safe walking around alone in the late hours downtown. "Diversity" is bad, unless the diversity happens with citizens of equal morality, work ethic and relative income. Bringing a bunch of poor, uneducated citizens to your city will make it poor and uneducated. So much for "diversity".
Yeah, and for all those people complaining about high costs of living on the coasts, you can partially blame diversity. You cart in the uneducated and poor, they raise crime, litter (both throwing trash on the streets and having more children than they can afford, you know, a litter of offspring like dogs and cats have) and basically turn the town into a craphole and then the middle class scrambles to get away from them, only THIS time, the only way to keep people like that out is to raise the cost of housing and the land.
Basically people with money PAY handsomely in the coastal states to live in low crime, clean neighborhoods because the poor and uneducated can't afford it, then a bunch of stupid people start bemoaning the lack of "diversity", cart in more uneducated and poor and the cycle starts all over again.
Oh, and if you stand up for your town and not want that to happen, not want the uneducated and poor to live there, if they're mostly minorities, then that makes you a "racist" and a "bad person". Because, you know, wanting low crime and clean streets for your town makes you an A-hole.
As a social experiment, I would love to see all of the middle and upper middle class move out of towns where there are already majors issues with crime and trash. I'd like to see the people left behind could make it on their own, or if the town would just devolve into a third world country.
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South Dakota and North Dakota are both good places too. North Dakota has the lowest unemployment, their own state owned bank and a large budget surplus.
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Wherever you are the happiest - that's the "best" place for you to live.
Exactly! Some folks, such as Hawkeye and the Repubocrat, enjoy the small town/rural environment while others, such as moi, need the big city to feel safe and comfortable.
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Whatever works for you is great.
I found it interesting in talking with friends who live in large metro areas about all we are "missing" in Iowa.
1. One, who lived in Manhatten, said the Broadway plays are great. She saw none last year and I saw three on touring companies and one on Broadway. I have been to the Met many, many times and have been to the Chicago Art Institute hundreds of times. How many times have you been to the Louvre?
2. Diversity sounds great, until one realizes that diversity means high crime. One very liberal town in Iowa, Iowa City, was preoccupied with "diversity" . They sought to bring in a more "diverse" population and be like the rest of the country. Now a nice university town has a very high crime rate and kids don't feel safe walking around alone in the late hours downtown. "Diversity" is bad, unless the diversity happens with citizens of equal morality, work ethic and relative income. Bringing a bunch of poor, uneducated citizens to your city will make it poor and uneducated. So much for "diversity".
3. Education level is much higher in Iowa than it is in California. One can pull off the roadside at the most remote area in northwest Iowa, go into a cafe, and converse with anyone there on an intelligent basis about current politics, economics, or even mathmatics if you wish. I have found other places of the country, particularly in the more remote areas, to be completely uneducated and ignorant. This has been quite true of even large metro areas like LA and NYC. The low education level in those areas is clearly reflected in the citizens who live there.
4. Traffic sucks in big towns. Having lived adjacent to NYC while working briefly in the pharm industry, I was shocked at the hour and half commutes that everyone has. What a waste of time! I live in a beautiful gated community with woods, but can be to work in six minutes driving on open roads. Think of what you could do with that extra 3 hours every day. The only time it "works" is with the train system in the northeast, where you can read and work while traveling.
5. Housing sucks in large metro areas. It is too expensive and cramped, unless you want to pay over $2 million for a place to live. People who I know living in San Fran, LA, Boston, and NYC live in dumps so that they can "enjoy" the bigger towns. I live in a mansion and like my big house. I have woods in my backyard and have a herd of deer that live there, as well as many other critters, such as fox, bobcats, eagles, and a variety of others.
6. There is limited outdoor recreation in large towns. I can walk across the street and play golf. We shot long range rifles at a great range five minutes from my house. We can reach the woods by throwing a rock into it. I can hunt deer, turkey, and pheasant within 10 minutes of my house. Sometimes just getting out in the open spaces can clear your head. You have to drive a long way for recreation in larger metro areas.
If we want mountains and oceans, we hop in a plane and fly there. The airport is only ten minutes away and we can afford to go anywhere in the world whenever we want by the savings we have from a cheaper cost of living here. We were in Arizona last week. Last month we were in Pebble Beach. The month before that in Florida. Over the Christmas break- Arizona. Last fall- Hawaii. We will go to Charleston next month for our ocean fix.
7. Restaurants are about the only area where big towns excel. However, for me chow is chow and I am not so interested in calories and shooting the breeze over vittels. I am more interested in doing things and wasting a couple of hours in a restaurant is a waste of valuable time for me.
Whatever works is good for you. However, I would prefer that "diversity" and "culture" stay outside of our state, as they are usually false catch phrases for crime and indecency.
How's the public transit in your neck of woods? All the benefits that you are quoting are fine and dandy but for someone who does not drive, living in the small town/rural areas would be a nightmare because I would have less freedom and mobility. I honestly feel much safer in a big metropolitan area that has a workable transit system than out in the boonies. The moral: What works for some does not work for everyone.
The OP said "REAL".....that is DIFFERENT from BEST.....
FIND A DICTIONARY....: rolleyes:
OK, I give up...English is your SECOND language... ...and ya haven't learned it yet....un-effing-believable....goes to show people see ONLY what they WANT to see .....no wonder witnesses to crimes are so mistaken about events....
Some of you posters have been in the U.S. how long??? and you STILL don't know English.....
Iowa not the place to go for good food. My god when they say the women in that state are corn fed I know the reason. It's the only dish they don't destroy.
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3. Education level is much higher in Iowa than it is in California. One can pull off the roadside at the most remote area in northwest Iowa, go into a cafe, and converse with anyone there on an intelligent basis about current politics, economics, or even mathmatics if you wish. I have found other places of the country, particularly in the more remote areas, to be completely uneducated and ignorant. This has been quite true of even large metro areas like LA and NYC. The low education level in those areas is clearly reflected in the citizens who live there.
I found it interesting in talking with friends who live in large metro areas about all we are "missing" in Iowa.
6. There is limited outdoor recreation in large towns. I can walk across the street and play golf. We shot long range rifles at a great range five minutes from my house. We can reach the woods by throwing a rock into it. I can hunt deer, turkey, and pheasant within 10 minutes of my house. Sometimes just getting out in the open spaces can clear your head. You have to drive a long way for recreation in larger metro areas.
If we want mountains and oceans, we hop in a plane and fly there. The airport is only ten minutes away and we can afford to go anywhere in the world whenever we want by the savings we have from a cheaper cost of living here. We were in Arizona last week. Last month we were in Pebble Beach. The month before that in Florida. Over the Christmas break- Arizona. Last fall- Hawaii. We will go to Charleston next month for our ocean fix.
It's kind of funny that what you say about outdoor recreation being immediately available is the same thing the people who live near the beach and mountains would say about where they live.
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Yeah, and for all those people complaining about high costs of living on the coasts, you can partially blame diversity. You cart in the uneducated and poor, they raise crime, litter (both throwing trash on the streets and having more children than they can afford, you know, a litter of offspring like dogs and cats have) and basically turn the town into a craphole and then the middle class scrambles to get away from them, only THIS time, the only way to keep people like that out is to raise the cost of housing and the land.
Basically people with money PAY handsomely in the coastal states to live in low crime, clean neighborhoods because the poor and uneducated can't afford it, then a bunch of stupid people start bemoaning the lack of "diversity", cart in more uneducated and poor and the cycle starts all over again.
Oh, and if you stand up for your town and not want that to happen, not want the uneducated and poor to live there, if they're mostly minorities, then that makes you a "racist" and a "bad person". Because, you know, wanting low crime and clean streets for your town makes you an A-hole.
As a social experiment, I would love to see all of the middle and upper middle class move out of towns where there are already majors issues with crime and trash. I'd like to see the people left behind could make it on their own, or if the town would just devolve into a third world country.
Is that your opinion of people of other races and cultures? Wow, just wow!
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Iowa not the place to go for good food. My god when they say the women in that state are corn fed I know the reason. It's the only dish they don't destroy.
We stopped at a restaurant in Iowa where one of the items we ordered we described as "creamed cream". I think it was actually supposed to be cole slaw, but it was really mayonnaise with a few shreds of cabbage in it. The name of the restaurant was something like "Mama's" or "Grandma's" and it was supposed to be "homestyle" food.
Earlier in the thread someone posted that New York has recognition of gay relationships. Guess what, so does Iowa! Hell, they have gay marriage, does New York? Hell, Iowa is MILES ahead of California when it comes to that.
The people I've met from Iowa didn't seem bothered that gay marriage was legal. My relatives in Davenport said they'd throw a wedding for me if I wanted to move there when I find the right guy.
So, Iowa seems to have a mix of the "old-fashioned" America, and the "progessive" America. Nothing wrong with that.
I wonder who works in the Meat Packing Plants in Iowa?
How's the public transit in your neck of woods? All the benefits that you are quoting are fine and dandy but for someone who does not drive, living in the small town/rural areas would be a nightmare because I would have less freedom and mobility. I honestly feel much safer in a big metropolitan area that has a workable transit system than out in the boonies. The moral: What works for some does not work for everyone.
That is true. Public transit here is not very good. I found the train and subway systems on the east coast to be excellent. You can have public transportation that is effective if you have a dense population area. When the population is more spread out, it is impractical.
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