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Short answer- I'd show him my drivers license, and if necessary, my social security card.
Long answer- the probability of me being asked to prove I'm a legal resident is pretty slim. If you actually read the bill, it's not the "your papers please!" abomination that some folks are making it out to be- it says that a law enforcement officer can make reasonable attempts to determine the citizenship of someone if there's reasonable suspicion that the suspect is in the country illegally. Seeing how I'm a white guy who speaks fluent English, and I'm ready, willing and able to politely hand over my government-issued license and social security card, I'm not likely to be "reasonably suspected of being an alien who is illegally in the country", so I'm really not too concerned about this being an issue in the first place.
You allude to the fact that race will be a determining factor as to whether someone is asked for their papers. If you were Hispanic you'd probably be more concerned, but since you are White, no worries. Good law.
You allude to the fact that race will be a determining factor as to whether someone is asked for their papers. If you were Hispanic you'd probably be more concerned, but since you are White, no worries. Good law.
Just pointing out reality- if you're looking for illegal aliens, and most of the illegal aliens in AZ are hispanic, I'd say there will be a high probability of hispanics being asked for ID. I presume you have a better solution? Maybe we should blindfold the law enforcement officers so they can't see what skin tone you have?
And if I was hispanic, and here legally, I'd handle the situation in exactly the same way- I'd hand him my drivers license, and if asked for more, my social security card. If you've got nothing to hide, why is this such a big deal?
You allude to the fact that race will be a determining factor as to whether someone is asked for their papers. If you were Hispanic you'd probably be more concerned, but since you are White, no worries. Good law.
Federal law requires anyone here on a green card to carry that green card at all times.
People will only be asked for their ID if they are already involved in dealing with the cops. Cops wont be walking up to every single Hispanic asking for them to prove they are legal.
My husband is hispanic supports the law and does NOT support illegals being here. Please dont assume that all hispanics are against the Az law
Short answer- I'd show him my drivers license, and if necessary, my social security card.
One can have a DL and not be legal. SSN card is no ID. Besides, you carry your SSN card at all times?
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Long answer- the probability of me being asked to prove I'm a legal resident is pretty slim. If you actually read the bill, it's not the "your papers please!" abomination that some folks are making it out to be- it says that a law enforcement officer can make reasonable attempts to determine the citizenship of someone if there's reasonable suspicion that the suspect is in the country illegally. Seeing how I'm a white guy who speaks fluent English, and I'm ready, willing and able to politely hand over my government-issued license and social security card, I'm not likely to be "reasonably suspected of being an alien who is illegally in the country", so I'm really not too concerned about this being an issue in the first place.
In other words, the law is the abomination it has been called by many. It is about racial profiling, and you don't see yourself as having to be at the receiving end so you're perfectly fine with it.
Regardless, you don't intend to carry an ID that proves your legality. But you do expect others who fit that highly subjective/emotional "reasonable suspicion" profile. What should they carry?
So, have we agreed that "compulsory" means "everyone has to have one" (ie: birth certificate) NOT "everyone has to carry it at all times or be detained"? Because if we haven't this thread pointless.
I agree, no sense in debating someone who resorts to ad hominem attacks. Reminds me of the health care debate, "Only Communists want UHC. Michael Moore is fat"
When a baby is born in the United States, a birth certificate is registered with the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State of birth. The key word here is "registered" as registered in international commerce. The baby becomes the surety, whose energy is due at some future date. When the birth certificate is registered in the U.S. Department of Commerce, the Department of Treasury issues a bond on the birth certificate ($1,000,000) and the bond is sold at some securities exchange and perhaps bought by the Federal Reserve Bank, which then uses it as collateral in order to issue Federal Reserve Notes or some other form of "debt obligation" (see 18 USC §411). The bond is then held in trust for the Federal Reserve at the Depository Trust Corp. At 55 Water Street, in New York City, about two blocks down the street from the Fed. It is a high rise office building and the sign out front reads "The Tower of Power".
I just googled birth certificate and found this, also check out why the name is spelled in Capital letters- Maritime Law
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