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Old 05-11-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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Since 95% of the responders on this thread appear to agree that there is a shift, it makes no practical sense to waste time trying to convince the one member who disagrees.
So you cant list an example? (p.s. most of the responders here are left wing who would consider the GOP "right wing" if they elected Bill Clinton to office).
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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So you cant list an example? (p.s. most of the responders here are left wing who would consider the GOP "right wing" if they elected Bill Clinton to office).
The fact that the Rockefeller Republicans use to exist in fairly large numbers, now they don't. Their use to be a place for a pro-choice and even pro gay-rights Republican that doesn't exist anymore. The fact that someone like John McCain who has a conservative voting record, with a lifetime ACU rating in the 80's is viewed as not being conservative enough. The fact that Graham whose lifetime ACU rating approaches 90 is attacked for not being conservative enough.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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The fact that the Rockefeller Republicans use to exist in fairly large numbers, now they don't. Their use to be a place for a pro-choice and even pro gay-rights Republican that doesn't exist anymore. The fact that someone like John McCain who has a conservative voting record, with a lifetime ACU rating in the 80's is viewed as not being conservative enough. The fact that Graham whose lifetime ACU rating approaches 90 is attacked for not being conservative enough.
1) The thread is dealing with some new found shift to the right.. The examples you listed are not new..
2) John McCain very much was border left wing. There are some very public bills which had McCains name attached to them that were left.
3) Not sure where you get the idea that Graham isnt "right enough".. He doesnt receive support because of he's too far right..
4) ACU ratings to me, are meaningless. Its simply looking at 25 different votes and then deciding a percentage from those 25 votes. It ignores all of the hundreds upon hundreds of other votes, along with votes missed..
5) There are LOTS of pro choice, and pro life Republicans
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I see the TB's and the Kristian Fanatics driving the Republican Party ever further toward the realm of One Race, One God, One Leader fantasy land. When this fanaticism drives the independents to the centrist Democrats, the owners of the Republican Party will shut down the fanatics and return their party to the centrist Republicanism of Eisenhower and Stevenson.

I, for one, will be continuously reminding folks that the current Republican Party is the party of the One Race, one God and One Leader marching to the orders of the God of Greed.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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1) The thread is dealing with some new found shift to the right.. The examples you listed are not new..
2) John McCain very much was border left wing. There are some very public bills which had McCains name attached to them that were left.
3) Not sure where you get the idea that Graham isnt "right enough".. He doesnt receive support because of he's too far right..
4) ACU ratings to me, are meaningless. Its simply looking at 25 different votes and then deciding a percentage from those 25 votes. It ignores all of the hundreds upon hundreds of other votes, along with votes missed..
5) There are LOTS of pro choice, and pro life Republicans

To call John McCain border left wing is insane. Yes, he has worked on some public bill that are a bit to the left, but his overall voting record has always been conservative.

Graham constantly gets attacked for not being far enough right, he gets attacked for basically not being another Demint.

The GOP currently has three pro-choice Republicans in the Senate, two of which are constantly called RINO's, the GOP doesn't have much more than that in the House.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:31 PM
 
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Yes they "both" might do that. The typical excuse from a right winger when they are able to find anything on the left.

But in scope and degree the right is all about dividing Americans.

It's not even close.
do what?
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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I see the TB's and the Kristian Fanatics driving the Republican Party ever further toward the realm of One Race, One God, One Leader fantasy land. When this fanaticism drives the independents to the centrist Democrats, the owners of the Republican Party will shut down the fanatics and return their party to the centrist Republicanism of Eisenhower and Stevenson.

I, for one, will be continuously reminding folks that the current Republican Party is the party of the One Race, one God and One Leader marching to the orders of the God of Greed.

as Sinclair Lewis said:

"When facism comes to America, it will be drapped in the Flag, carrying the cross."

Truer words were never spoken.
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Your'e the only one that seems to disagree with that assertion. Even conservative members have acknowledged it and given examples. Read their posts.
I would disagree with the assertion Republicans are moving to the right. Bush was the most liberal republican to ever be president. I haven't seen anyone else in the Republican party since then that would suggest there is a move to the right.
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:59 PM
 
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the embrace of the GOP by Palin and the Tea Baggers leads to a incredibly shrinking GOP. Not to mention the absolute dearth of minorities in that party and the GOP is on a death spiral. You can forget about the black & hispanic votes.
You would have thought that the 2006 election would have woken the party up but they keep leaping off a cliff like blind sheep.
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Old 05-11-2010, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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I, for one, will be continuously reminding folks that the current Republican Party is the party of the One Race, one God and One Leader marching to the orders of the God of Greed.
So they are just like democrats.
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