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Secular public schools, I must add. Hitler hated those. He wanted Christianity-influenced schools.
Whether secular or religious does not really matter. Government-run schools are designed to promote government interests and funded by theft and extortion of those whose children are being brain-washed.
As a minority myself (African American) I support BOTH measures of the bill. I think eliminating "ethnic studies" classes is fine as long as we redesign just what "American History" is in the classrooms. African American, Mexican American, Native American, irish American etc should ALL be incorporated into the mainstream because we ALL make up this country's history.
Individual ethnic studies programs that require greater depth should be left to the privacy of the college classroom in the proper setting of a higher learning academic enviroment.
Why don't you start a new thread on the topic because it has nothing to do with the Arizona bill targeting ethnic studies
I'm going to make a bit of a statement here...it may not be popular, but it does have something to do with the topic at hand...
In my 54 years on this earth, I have met people of many races and ethnicities other than my own (African-American)...I have had the chance to read of their histories not only through personal reading, but as a pupil in some of the same ethnic studies classes that are currently under fire in Arizona...
I have also received a belated but nonetheless informative education in politics thanks to the events before during and after the 2008 election...
Which now drives me to say the following...there is a certain segment of the white population (I CANNOT and WILL NOT say all, because to demonize an entire people based on the actions of a few is baseless) that literally cringes in fear and lashes out at anything and anyone who doesn't look, act, worship, vote or carry on like them, to the point of throwing labels ad infinitum into the void (see under 'leftist', 'liberal', 'sheep', 'socialist', 'robot', 'drone', 'illegal', etc...)
Some of them couch their bitterness in carefully worded diatribes, while some just by-god come out and SPEAK their assorted prejudices out loud...and God help you if you dare to have a pair and an opinion and actually (gasp!!) DISAGREE with one of them---then the gloves REALLY come off...'I'm a patriot and a Real American, and we're gonna take this country BACK!!'
No...actually, you're an ill-informed stooge, whose irrational fear of anyone darker than a paper bag is poisonous and just plain damn irritating...last time I looked, I was also an American citizen...I pay taxes and go to work every day just like you do, and I also seved my country and it's flag, which you so lovingly wrap yourselves in when proclaiming yourselves to be 'Real Americans'...I'm an American too, and you're not taking anything back from anyone without EVERYONE having a say in the matter...in case you didn't know, that's part of the "American Way" you're always chirping about, but conveniently have amnesia about if the person disagreeing with you happens to have a differing view (e.g. = 'You're just one of those damned *******s! You're not an American! Siddown!!')
For the record, I'll finish with a position statement on the 2 laws passed recently in Arizona (2 birds with 1 stone and all that)...
Immigration: I fully understand the gravity of the illegal immigration situation in Arizona and the rest of the Southwest...I concur that if an individual is in the US illegally, and has used foul means to enter the country, then they should be summarily deported...however, to these eyes, the law opens itself to scrutiny because most of the illegals to date are of Hispanic/Mexican origin, and there exists a possibility that innocent, legal Hispanic and Mexican citizens of the US may suffer unduly in the quest to roundup and deport actuall illegals, due to possible overzealous enforcement of the letter of the law...racial profiling? That remains to be seen...but the spectre of mistakes made and innocent lives disprupted still looms large...
Ethnic Studies: Not being a parent, or a student for that matter, I may not have a dog in that fight, but if I were a parent, I would want my kids to have the same educational opportunities that I did, which would include learning about the history and culture of races and ethnic groups other than my own...I enjoyed history and geography and ethnic studies in school---I didn't mind one bit finding out about Germans, Poles, Jews, Asians, Hispanics, Greeks, Romans, Native Americans, Italians, the list goes on...and I consider my self a much more well-rounded adult today because of it...now, I may be wrong here, but it seems as though that 'certain segment' I spoke of is cheering the loudest about this law because 'Goody-goody! We're the Real Americans, and now everything is gonna be about us 24/7/365!'...uhhh, that would be a no...uht to the uhn-uh...epic fail...you get the picture
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Whether secular or religious does not really matter. Government-run schools are designed to promote government interests and funded by theft and extortion of those whose children are being brain-washed.
Did you go to a public school, or private? To quote someone, who might fit your idea of a fascist:
"I have indeed two great measures at heart, without which no republic can maintain itself in strength: 1. That of general education, to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom. 2. To divide every county into hundreds, of such size that all the children of each will be within reach of a central school in it."
The study of history and social science in the absence of consideration of contributions of minority groups and ethnicities pretty much is white supremacist studies.... So congratulations... You have your wish.
Does it really matter that two white people invented the airplane over 100 years ago? Minorities can fly the same as Whites. Or how about the cure for polio? I'm pretty sure everyone gets immunized, not just Whites. When the contributions of minorities rise to the level of the inventions, discoveries, and accomplishments of Whites then those accomplishments will be covered in the history classes. Until then giving time to extremely minor "accomplishments" just because they were done by a non-White just for the purpose of stroking the egos of minorities is a waste of education resources and a waste of the minority's time, even if they don't realize it.
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The US is not a white nation. Grow up.
It is a nation of many races and that is why we must never allow programs like specific ethnic studies to divide us. Do you want this country to end up like the Balkins? The fact is that virtually ALL major accomplishments in history were done by Whites (or done by Whites first if they were independantly discovered/invented by non-Whites later) and anyone who thinks differently is in denial or just has a deep seated racist hatred of Whites. The only big exceptions I can think of are paper and gunpower -- both of which go to the Chinese. I don't hear them clamoring for special ethnic studies classes.
Why shouldn't student get a choice to take any course they wish? But the politicians get to decide it.
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