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That is one of the most unenlightened and ignorant statements I have ever seen in this forum......and half of what is said here is little more than mean-spirited garbage. If you think that 70% of the people in this country know more than career military officers who have made it to the top of their career paths, then there is no hope for you.
Gen. Powell, Gates, Mullen, and plenty of other top brass have supported repeal of DADT, does their opinions count? Or do you only take into account the opinions that are similar to yours? Your argument makes no sense.
And I'm sure there are some in that 70% that were former veterans themselves....
"A large majority of Americans (70%) continue to favor allowing openly gay men and women to serve in the military, with continued majority support from every key demographic subgroup."
"The latest results are from a Gallup poll conducted May 3-6, 2010. They are particularly relevant in light of President Barack Obama's nomination Monday of U.S. Solicitor General Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Kagan has opposed the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, in 2003 calling it "a moral injustice of the first order."
The military is about protecting the nation and destroying our enemies, not a social club for all the various special interest groups.
Being homosexual or bisexual is just another in a long list of disqualifications to serving in the military.
The military is about protecting the nation and destroying our enemies, not a social club for all the various special interest groups.
Being homosexual or bisexual is just another in a long list of disqualifications to serving in the military.
How is it a disqualification? Do you have any evidence that somehow suggests homosexuals are incapable of doing the same jobs as their straight counterparts? Being black and female was at a time a disqualification, yet we somehow managed to get over it. So if you have any proof that states gays are biologicaly inferior to straights, I would love to see it.
And please leave religious ideology out of this discussion or I will have to refer to my Jedi-Santanic-Lord-of-the-Rings beliefs.....
So a vocal 2% of our population, most of whom will NEVER serve in the military, is telling our national defense establishment what it should or shouldn't do?
This is nonsense.
Military life is highly distinct from civilian life, and in no way should not be held to same standard.
It's truly a sad day when a small portion of our population can cower one of our nation's strongest institutions.
Military life is highly distinct from civilian life, and in no way should not be held to same standard.
It's truly a sad day when a vocal 2% of our population can cower one of our nation's strongest institutions.
Welcome to the United States of Amerikka.
This makes no sense. It offered to tangible evidence or compelling argument. So what if gays are 2% of the population (though I think its 9%)? Should all minorities be put on the backburner??
Nice use of subsituting the "C" for a "K" I have NEVER seen that before....
So a vocal 2% of our population, most of whom will NEVER serve in the military, is telling our national defense establishment what it should or shouldn't do?
This is nonsense.
Military life is highly distinct from civilian life, and in no way should not be held to same standard.
It's truly a sad day when a small portion of our population can cower one of our nation's strongest institutions.
Welcome to the United States of Amerikka.
Of course that will NEVER want to serve in the military, it's because they are banned from serving in the military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This makes no sense. It offered to tangible evidence or compelling argument. So what if gays are 2% of the population (though I think its 9%)? Should all minorities be put on the backburner??
Nice use of subsituting the "C" for a "K" I have NEVER seen that before....
Gays are not a "minority" - gays are a "lifestyle".
Despite its critics, the current system of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" has worked fairly well, and has enabled all persons to serve regardless of their choice in sexual preference.
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Of course that will NEVER want to serve in the military, it's because they are banned from serving in the military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny that you wrote this. Gays are, in fact, NOT banned from the military. If you served you would know this - the media has really distorted the issue since it came under their scope a few months back.
Gays are not a "minority" - gays are a "lifestyle".
Despite its critics, the current system of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" has worked fairly well, and has enabled all persons to serve regardless of their choice in sexual preference.
How is it a disqualification? Do you have any evidence that somehow suggests homosexuals are incapable of doing the same jobs as their straight counterparts? Being black and female was at a time a disqualification, yet we somehow managed to get over it. So if you have any proof that states gays are biologicaly inferior to straights, I would love to see it.
And please leave religious ideology out of this discussion or I will have to refer to my Jedi-Santanic-Lord-of-the-Rings beliefs.....
I'm not a religious person, but I am a twenty two year Marine Corps veteran.
Skin color had nothing to do with whether or not a person was qualified to do the job, people were just allowing racism and bigotry to exist in the military. Racism and bigotry have no place in the US military, but disqualifying gays is not about bigotry, its about trying to maintain order, discipline and unit cohesion. Its outlined n the U.S. Code, so they will need to change the U.S. Code and the U.C.M.J. not just repeal DADT.
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§ 654. Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces
(8) Military life is fundamentally different from civilian life in that—
(A) the extraordinary responsibilities of the armed forces, the unique conditions of military service, and the critical role of unit cohesion, require that the military community, while subject to civilian control, exist as a specialized society; and
(B) the military society is characterized by its own laws, rules, customs, and traditions, including numerous restrictions on personal behavior, that would not be acceptable in civilian society.
(12) The worldwide deployment of United States military forces, the international responsibilities of the United States, and the potential for involvement of the armed forces in actual combat routinely make it necessary for members of the armed forces involuntarily to accept living conditions and working conditions that are often spartan, primitive, and characterized by forced intimacy with little or no privacy.
(13) The prohibition against homosexual conduct is a longstanding element of military law that continues to be necessary in the unique circumstances of military service.
(14) The armed forces must maintain personnel policies that exclude persons whose presence in the armed forces would create an unacceptable risk to the armed forces’ high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.
(15) The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.
Gays are not a "minority" - gays are a "lifestyle".
Despite its critics, the current system of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" has worked fairly well, and has enabled all persons to serve regardless of their choice in sexual preference.
Funny that you wrote this. Gays are, in fact, NOT banned from the military. If you served you would know this - the media has really distorted the issue since it came under their scope a few months back.
Nudists is a lifestyle, being vegan is a lifestyle, swingers are a lifestyle. You can't turn being gay off and on. Just like women cannot change their sex, and black people will always be black. Those are not lifestyles.
And DADT has not worked. It allows straight people and gay people who "act" straight to keep their jobs.
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