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Old 05-21-2010, 01:03 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Just to clear up something,we have all decided that the 14th Amendment does NOT apply to private individuals right????
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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You do not own the business,you somehow believe you have a Constitutional right to make a business owner serve you....

Where do you get this idea from???
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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Default It is NOT needed

As I said, it isn't needed, but once government has control they don't give it up no matter what has changed.....government is into power and control and they want even more....what you are referring to in the law (civil rights) was written in a time when say minorities and women etc. were discriminated against severely. TImes are different, women hold a LOT of jobs and the workplace is very diverse but the Civil Liberties Union will argue on anything as that also lets them keep the powers they have to make outrageous claims as has been shown time and time again. It is not NEEDED but government will have you believe different as then they would have to give up power they already have...when have you know goernment to give up anything????
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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You REALLY think something like that stops a bigot from discriminating?
It is just driven underground as I said.
No law will keep a bigot from discriminating in his personal life. Bigots are free to live with their bigoted selves. Who cares?

Title VII is a very good incentive for keeping people in the workplace from treating people differently based on their race, sex, color, national origin and religion. It's worked really well.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:20 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Has it?

What is the gauge of it's success?
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:23 PM
 
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Government need to get OUT of our lives yet, with the current regime in power, they are GROWING leaps and bounds and are taking over more and more of our rights and freedoms and disallowing us less and less freedom of choice for all areas of our lives..it is truly becoming a Nanny state and government controlled...I for one believe in freedom...and LESS government..
It's not just with this "regime"
Bush Jr. tripled the size of the Department o Education, and let's not forget The Patriot Act.

Reagan, the hero of the Republican Party said "government is the problem, not the solution", but he continually signed bills making the government bigger.
Reagan reinvented the War on Drugs, and asset forfeiture escalated from a little-used law into expansive funding for law-enforcement.

I agree, we need less government, but it would be unfair to
just say it has just been "this regime"
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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You do not own the business,you somehow believe you have a Constitutional right to make a business owner serve you....

Where do you get this idea from???
Ever heard of the Interstate Commerce clause?

What gives anyone the right to restrict my movements? If the business owner benefits from my tax dollars (i.e. Police and Fire Department) he'd better damn well be open for business with everybody.

At any rate, this discussion has reached the point of diminishing returns. You have made your position quite clear: you favor the return of segregation and Jim Crow laws.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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Has it?

What is the gauge of it's success?
If I have to explain it to you, it tells me that you're clueless about the history of employment law and the status of women and minorities in the United States over the past 45 years. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't have time to tutor you right now.

Ask any woman or racial minority you know, over the age of 50, if conditions are better in the workplace than they used to be.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:28 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Ever heard of the Interstate Commerce clause?
Is that not just the catchall for everything the fedgov. wants to control...

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What gives anyone the right to restrict my movements? If the business owner benefits from my tax dollars (i.e. Police and Fire Department) he'd better damn well be open for business with everybody.
They pay too,most likely much more than you...

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At any rate, this discussion has reached the point of diminishing returns. You have made your position quite clear: you favor the return of segregation and Jim Crow laws.
Ahh,finally,trot out 'You a racist'....

Fail.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:30 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It's not just with this "regime"
Bush Jr. tripled the size of the Department o Education, and let's not forget The Patriot Act.

Reagan, the hero of the Republican Party said "government is the problem, not the solution", but he continually signed bills making the government bigger.
Reagan reinvented the War on Drugs, and asset forfeiture escalated from a little-used law into expansive funding for law-enforcement.

I agree, we need less government, but it would be unfair to
just say it has just been "this regime"
I agree,we have been $crewed by the two party monopoly for decades...
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