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Looks like the terrorists will have to stay at gitmo. Sad day for the ACLU.
WASHINGTON — The House Armed Services Committee has dealt a blow to President Obama’s hopes to shutter the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, by unanimously approving legislation that would prohibit creating a detention center inside the United States.
The administration had asked Congress to approve about $350 million to buy and renovate a nearly empty prison in Thomson, Ill. The White House plan was to empty Guantánamo and transfer its detainees to Illinois — including 48 who would be held without trial as wartime prisoners.
But late Wednesday, the House committee unanimously approved a defense bill for 2011 that bans spending money to build or modify any facility inside the United States to house Guantánamo detainees, according to a summary of the bill.
It says the committee wants to see “a thorough and comprehensive plan that outlines the merits, costs, and risks associated with utilizing such a facility. No such plan has been presented to date. The bill prohibits the use of any funds for this purpose.”
The bill also requires Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates to produce a report for Congress that “adequately justifies” any proposal for such a facility in the future, suggesting that lawmakers could reverse course.
It was already clear that the Guantánamo prison would not be closed until 2011 at the earliest. With the committee’s stance, the prospects of closing it receded still further.
Mr. Obama had declared he would close the prison within a year of taking office. The administration argues that Guantánamo is a symbol used for terrorism recruitment, so closing it would enhance national security.
But many Republicans have maintained that Guantánamo should stay open, arguing that the Thomson plan would waste money and create a national-security risk. Some libertarians also oppose institutionalizing indefinite detentions without trial on domestic soil.
It was just political grandstanding from the beginning. If there was harsh treatment of prisoners at Gitmo, and president 0bama stopped it, then why the need to close it?
Obama didn't break a promise, he got his butt handed to him in a paper bag..! He is finding out it's tough for a child to play in an adult world..!
Another case of his mouth writing a check his A$$ couldn't cash....!
I'm sure no one is more anxious for the 2012 election than Obama, then he can retire to his safe home in Chicago where his corruption will go unnoticed..!!
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Looks like the terrorists will have to stay at gitmo. Sad day for the ACLU.
WASHINGTON — The House Armed Services Committee has dealt a blow to President Obama’s hopes to shutter the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, by unanimously approving legislation that would prohibit creating a detention center inside the United States.
The administration had asked Congress to approve about $350 million to buy and renovate a nearly empty prison in Thomson, Ill. The White House plan was to empty Guantánamo and transfer its detainees to Illinois — including 48 who would be held without trial as wartime prisoners.
But late Wednesday, the House committee unanimously approved a defense bill for 2011 that bans spending money to build or modify any facility inside the United States to house Guantánamo detainees, according to a summary of the bill.
It says the committee wants to see “a thorough and comprehensive plan that outlines the merits, costs, and risks associated with utilizing such a facility. No such plan has been presented to date. The bill prohibits the use of any funds for this purpose.”
The bill also requires Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates to produce a report for Congress that “adequately justifies” any proposal for such a facility in the future, suggesting that lawmakers could reverse course.
It was already clear that the Guantánamo prison would not be closed until 2011 at the earliest. With the committee’s stance, the prospects of closing it receded still further.
Mr. Obama had declared he would close the prison within a year of taking office. The administration argues that Guantánamo is a symbol used for terrorism recruitment, so closing it would enhance national security.
But many Republicans have maintained that Guantánamo should stay open, arguing that the Thomson plan would waste money and create a national-security risk. Some libertarians also oppose institutionalizing indefinite detentions without trial on domestic soil.
So does that work for Bush also? Congress has leaned left since 2006. So it's Congress' fault for jobs lost, the economy, and all that Obama has blamed Bush for, right?
In a sense, yes. I don't think it is fair to blame Bush for the entire economic mess. Many of the things in the economy really are complex, interdependent issues that pervaded throughout the entire private business environment world-wide for over a decade, and it's not so simple or realistic to point fingers at one particular politician or policy on either side as the sole blame for it (much as some would like to spin it that way). That's why this mess is such a mess in the first place - it's a very long, complex path that got us to this point, and both left and right share responsibility for that.
How funny, everyone saying: Politician's always break their promises. So what? So what? I thought Obama ran on a platform of "change." He was going to change the way things were done in Washington. Have a transparent open government, allow the citizens of this country to read a bill for 5 days, before he sign's it, etc. He was also going to close Gitmo down, as soon as he was in office, AND, one of his other campaign promises: The day I am elected office, I am going to bring the troops home from Iraq. And another famous one: "Health care reform won't cost you, one, thin, dime." (The check is in the mail).
How do you feel being lied too? He BLATANTLY lied too and its ok, because politician's do it all the time? I thought he was changing all of that? No more lying. No more broken promises. Transparency in government, et al. HE LIED.
Simple fact of the matter: President Obama does not and did not, have the experience to be the president. He was nieve and foolish for saying the things he did. And all you fools, yes fools, who voted for him, did so, because he can "speak good." And, possibly because he is black; therefore you can run around and say you aren't racist, because you voted for him. Before the slams start, I happen to be a black man.
You don't make promises you can't keep. You would be divorced if you lied to your wife, or husband, as many times as Obama has lied to the American people.
"What an incredible crock! The conservative, tea bagger, creationists have been fighting that with horror stories of invading terrorist hordes ever since. It does take some bipartisan cooperation after all. "
Redundancy is good.
There is a EMPTY federal prison in Illinois in an area with a high unemployment rate but the local republican (), conservative, creationist, tea baggers . . . well never mind.
Umm... what evidence do you have that he "knew" he couldn't close it? Still might be able to, but he can't predict the future, so far as I know.
I suspect you're just one of those ideological people looking for any reason to hate your president. So be it. I prefer a higher level of discourse, myself. So, enjoy your life.
Have you even bothered to read the responsibilities and powers of a president?
Or even references posted in this thread?
You know, like Congress having the power to do what Obama promised, not him?
Or are you just another Obama apologist who forgives him anything so that you can have a warm fuzzy feeling of supporting him?
I suspect that you are just one of those ideological people who care only about their own agenda and hate those who point out how flawed it is. Time for a refill of obamajuice for you.
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"What an incredible crock! The conservative, tea bagger, creationists have been fighting that with horror stories of invading terrorist hordes ever since. It does take some bipartisan cooperation after all. "
Redundancy is good.
There is a EMPTY federal prison in Illinois in an area with a high unemployment rate but the local republican (), conservative, creationist, tea baggers . . . well never mind.
I agree. Let's get the Illinois prison done and open and then- as a compromise- he can keep GITMO open for 12 more months and then shutter it. Many of the people in it should probably be sent home anyway. The rest of them can be moved to the Illinois facility. The cons just want something to argue about. They know that this is all BS and that the US Federal maximum security prisons are not a risk at all. They are very secure and people do not escape from them. But the Palin crowd needs something to gripe about. If keeping GITMO open for 1 more year will shut them up, so be it.
So let me get this right, Obama "broke a promise" by mind-controlling people into disagreeing with him.
Please insert more coins and try again.
It's so pathetic - these "conservatives" on here trying so desperately to hold Obama to promises that they were against in the first place. You didn't vote for him, ya dim bulbs, and if you think that you're fooling anyone with these middle-school lunch-table league gotchas, it's only yourselves.
One of the reasons I failed to vote for Obama was that I knew he couldn't swing many of his promises and that they were all meant for one thing only. To sway the votes of naive people who really believed all that crap. Yep, he talked me out of voting for him by making all those undeliverable promises.
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