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Old 05-25-2010, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Don't you understand just like those who were killed in the Twin Towers on 911 you are guilty of aiding and abetting because you participate in the Banality of Evil. Your guilty of being a mindless killer simply by being a Patriotic American. Welcome to the side of evil.
I love this post. I wonder, why is it that America (the United States anyway) is so hated by others throughout the world? Hmm, why, why, why?
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Don't you understand just like those who were killed in the Twin Towers on 911 you are guilty of aiding and abetting because you participate in the Banality of Evil. Your guilty of being a mindless killer simply by being a Patriotic American. Welcome to the side of evil.


If you wish to use the Banality of Evil argument, you need to also acknowledge that every "enemy" of America hates not just America, but you and me. Which means you must look into your own mirror in your own bathroom, to see the face that they hate, and from that vantage point, ask why they hate us. You are guilty of aiding and abetting all that they hate us for.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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If you wish to use the Banality of Evil argument, you need to also acknowledge that every "enemy" of America hates not just America, but you and me. Which means you must look into your own mirror in your own bathroom, to see the face that they hate, and from that vantage point, ask why they hate us. You are guilty of aiding and abetting all that they hate us for.
The phrase is self defining and no explanation from you is necessary. Reread my post again eventually the intellectual subtleties that you missed will become apparent.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:53 PM
 
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I love this post. I wonder, why is it that America (the United States anyway) is so hated by others throughout the world? Hmm, why, why, why?
Are you going to contribute any substance or just muse rhetorically?
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The phrase is self defining and no explanation from you is necessary. Reread my post again eventually the intellectual subtleties that you missed will become apparent.
It is philosophically hazardous to assume that every platitude that comes out the holocaust orthodoxy is, ipso facto, axiomatic.

"Banality of Evil" is far from self-defining, in addition to maybe being far from the truth. If you will enter the phrase in Wikipedia, you will find that there is a great deal of lingering uncertainty about the meaning of the phrase. People who have thought a great deal more deeply about it, do not share your certainty of its truth.

"Banality of evil" implies either that all evil is banal by its own nature. By extension, as I indicated before, was there a 'banality of evil' in the complicity of the American people in the arbitrary, useless and brutal desctuction of the Republic of Iraq? It now rests with you to define not banality, but evil, which you choose to do on highly subjective criteria, with your own self-interests at the center.

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Old 05-25-2010, 10:40 PM
 
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It is philosophically hazardous to assume that every platitude that comes out the holocaust orthodoxy is, ipso facto, axiomatic.

"Banality of Evil" is far from self-defining, in addition to maybe being far from the truth. If you will enter the phrase in Wikipedia, you will find that there is a great deal of lingering uncertainty about the meaning of the phrase. People who have thought a great deal more deeply about it, do not share your certainty of its truth.
What is my certainty of truth? If you really care about the subject then quit using the McDonald's of encyclopedic knowledge and read through the Hannah Arendt papers and the multiple essays on her political thought. They are available through the Library of Congress and multiple universities that have Centers on Social, Ethical and Political thinking dedicated to her.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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What is my certainty of truth? If you really care about the subject then quit using the McDonald's of encyclopedic knowledge and read through the Hannah Arendt papers and the multiple essays on her political thought. They are available through the Library of Congress and multiple universities that have Centers on Social, Ethical and Political thinking dedicated to her.
There are plenty of people more competent and knowledgeable than you or me, who have already done that. They to not reflect your certainty that you are correct.

I referred to Wikipedia because I didn't have time this afternoon to stop by the Library of Congress. Perhaps you can fill me in with what you found through your own lifetime of exhaustive research, and what all the other experts thought when you presented your scintillating and original paper on the subject to the various learned academies.

But that is just quibbling. Let's get back to my question, which you refuse to let pass through your static. Does "Banality of Evil" apply to the complicity of the American people in the problematc aspects of the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama?
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:12 PM
 
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There are plenty of people more competent and knowledgeable than you or me, who have already done that. They to not reflect your certainty that you are correct.

I referred to Wikipedia because I didn't have time this afternoon to stop by the Library of Congress. Perhaps you can fill me in with what you found through your own lifetime of exhaustive research, and what all the other experts thought when you presented your scintillating and original paper on the subject to the various learned academies.

But that is just quibbling. Let's get back to my question, which you refuse to let pass through your static. Does "Banality of Evil" apply to the complicity of the American people in the problematc aspects of the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama?
But quibbling with you is half these reason I waste my time on these forums. Also my friends and family get a kick out of our back and forth ad hom attacks. The phrase in question was used in a very satirical and sarcastic attack on the philosophical view point that all Americans just by their common daily "BANAL" existence are part and parcel of the EVIL that is The United States of America. We now return to our regularly scheduled program of diatribe.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Also my friends and family get a kick out of our back and forth ad hom attacks. .
So, you have an incentive, an ulterior motive to bore and disrupt the forum with your ad-hom attacks. You're showing off to an audience.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:31 PM
 
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So, you have an incentive, an ulterior motive to bore and disrupt the forum with your ad-hom attacks. You're showing off to an audience.
I believe that sums you up.
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