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Old 05-23-2010, 01:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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It has recently occurred to me just how opposed to personal responsibility liberals really are. They are convinced the government is the perfect substitute for personal responsibility. They would much prefer people rely on government for their education, their health care, their retirement, how to raise their children, what to eat, what they can purchase and own, and all most every other aspect of their behavior. They would prefer government take from the most productive members of our society, and redistribute to the less productive. They prefer massive amounts of government regulation which makes it literally impossible for the common man to even understand what the law even is, and therefore impossible to legally comply. They prefer a system where everyone who fails can be classified a victim and not be held responsible for their failures. Failure of the individual must be absorbed by society as a whole. We must all be dependent upon the system, and discouraged from being self sufficient. The idea that humans are of low moral character and need government to regulate behavior must be reinforced. Freedom is synonymous with anarchy and compliance by all is required for a stable society. The individual cannot be trusted. The forefathers were wrong to believe everyman had the personal rights which put him on equal footing with kings. They were wrong that the government should be subservient to the people. They were wrong that the people gave power to the government and not the other way around. We should succumb to the wills of the state and ignore the warnings of our first President...

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master".
George Washington
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Old 05-23-2010, 01:33 PM
 
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Troll around the grounds until you feel at home.
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Old 05-23-2010, 01:48 PM
 
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Troll around the grounds until you feel at home.
If you cannot fabricate a reasonable debate, feel free to engage in name calling and personal attacks.
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Old 05-23-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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It has recently occurred to me just how opposed to personal responsibility liberals really are. They are convinced the government is the perfect substitute for personal responsibility. They would much prefer people rely on government for their education, their health care, their retirement, how to raise their children, what to eat, what they can purchase and own, and all most every other aspect of their behavior. They would prefer government take from the most productive members of our society, and redistribute to the less productive. They prefer massive amounts of government regulation which makes it literally impossible for the common man to even understand what the law even is, and therefore impossible to legally comply. They prefer a system where everyone who fails can be classified a victim and not be held responsible for their failures. Failure of the individual must be absorbed by society as a whole. We must all be dependent upon the system, and discouraged from being self sufficient. The idea that humans are of low moral character and need government to regulate behavior must be reinforced. Freedom is synonymous with anarchy and compliance by all is required for a stable society. The individual cannot be trusted. The forefathers were wrong to believe everyman had the personal rights which put him on equal footing with kings. They were wrong that the government should be subservient to the people. They were wrong that the people gave power to the government and not the other way around. We should succumb to the wills of the state and ignore the warnings of our first President...

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master".
George Washington

If you can answer this question honestly, then we can debate.


1. All of the goverment programs that encompose the services that you listed above (education, health care), Where was personal responsibility when the rightwing conservatives accepted them right along with the liberals?
2. When the Right wing/Conservatives were in the majority and or the President, why didn't they just get rid of them instead of constantly funding them?
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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If you cannot fabricate a reasonable debate, feel free to engage in name calling and personal attacks.
You dont really call an aimless, fact-free personal rant a debate presentation, do you?

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Originally Posted by jimhcom View Post
It has recently occurred to me just how opposed to personal responsibility liberals really are. They are convinced the government is the perfect substitute for personal responsibility. They would much prefer people rely on government for their education, their health care, their retirement, how to raise their children, what to eat, what they can purchase and own, and all most every other aspect of their behavior. They would prefer government take from the most productive members of our society, and redistribute to the less productive. They prefer massive amounts of government regulation which makes it literally impossible for the common man to even understand what the law even is, and therefore impossible to legally comply. They prefer a system where everyone who fails can be classified a victim and not be held responsible for their failures. Failure of the individual must be absorbed by society as a whole. We must all be dependent upon the system, and discouraged from being self sufficient. The idea that humans are of low moral character and need government to regulate behavior must be reinforced. Freedom is synonymous with anarchy and compliance by all is required for a stable society. The individual cannot be trusted. The forefathers were wrong to believe everyman had the personal rights which put him on equal footing with kings. They were wrong that the government should be subservient to the people. They were wrong that the people gave power to the government and not the other way around. We should succumb to the wills of the state and ignore the warnings of our first President...

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master".
George Washington
No, you're wrong.

Is that what you have in mind? Or are you expecting people to pick apart your silly generalizations and refute them one by one?
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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They have no regrets and there-fore do nothing wrong. They use people and have no morals.
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:13 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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If you can answer this question honestly, then we can debate.


1. All of the goverment programs that encompose the services that you listed above (education, health care), Where was personal responsibility when the rightwing conservatives accepted them right along with the liberals?
2. When the Right wing/Conservatives were in the majority and or the President, why didn't they just get rid of them instead of constantly funding them?
Are you saying the votes for these programs were unanimous? Not even close. And to get rid of a government entitlement program once adopted is political suicide. What we are really talking about here is the basic philosophy of liberalism, and how liberal programs contrast with personal responsibility.
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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If you cannot fabricate a reasonable debate, feel free to engage in name calling and personal attacks.
Debate? Unsubstantiated assertions such as those in the OP are not debate.

For one thing, all Democrats aren't liberal. Which is it? Democrats or liberals?
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:24 PM
 
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Are you saying the votes for these programs were unanimous? Not even close. And to get rid of a government entitlement program once adopted is political suicide. What we are really talking about here is the basic philosophy of liberalism, and how liberal programs contrast with personal responsibility.
Lets try this again.

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If you can answer this question honestly, then we can debate.


1. All of the goverment programs that encompose the services that you listed above (education, health care), Where was personal responsibility when the rightwing conservatives accepted them right along with the liberals?
2. When the Right wing/Conservatives were in the majority and or the President, why didn't they just get rid of them instead of constantly funding them?
What do you consider Right Wing/Conservatives that accept these government programs, or are you in some alternate reality state and truely believe that they DO NOT?
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:27 PM
 
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If you cannot fabricate a reasonable debate, feel free to engage in name calling and personal attacks.
I suppose we could if there was something reasonable to debate. But when you start off a thread saying that "liberals" are opposed to personal responsibility, which is so ridiculous on the face of it, what is there to debate?
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