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Old 05-25-2010, 09:42 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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The requirement in such a case is a "quid pro quo".

To offer someone a job is not a violation of any law.

To offer someone a job if they agree to run or not to run for office would be a crime.

To offer someone a job that would effectively remove them from a political race is not a crime.

One presumes the WH is sufficiently smart to simply offer the job. And one would presume the Admiral understood the implications. So simply an exploration of possibilities. No crime.

The WH certainly has valid reasons for not discussing who is offered which job.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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As a Pennsylvanian, I think I have the right to tell Obama to keep his nose out of our elections. As a libertarian, I didn't have a horse in the race but I was interested in seeing the last of Specter. What was so different than what Blago did? One offered a job for political favors and the other wanted to trade the position for money.
More closed door backroom shenanigans from Obama and company.
Sestak is playing it smart by keeping Obama at arms length, this election could come down to who stays farthest away from Obama.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:51 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Oh how they forget Blowthebiatch in Illinois, in Chicago style Politics. They think it is just the way it is done... no harm you know...[rolleyes]
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:55 AM
 
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To offer someone a job that would effectively remove them from a political race is not a crime.

Why is it that the people who think they are smart actually know the least about things that they chime in on? Boy, how wrong you are, this thread is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Title 18, U.S.C. Section 595, which says, “Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States … uses his official authority for the purposes of interfering with, or affecting the nomination of, or the election of any candidate for office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representative…shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.â€
Title 18 U.S.C. Section 600, which says, “Whoever directly or indirectly promises any employment position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, in favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.â€
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Good digging by John King;

RealClearPolitics - Video - Rep. Sestak Dodges WH Job Question
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:16 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Why is it that the people who think they are smart actually know the least about things that they chime in on? Boy, how wrong you are, this thread is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Title 18, U.S.C. Section 595, which says, “Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States … uses his official authority for the purposes of interfering with, or affecting the nomination of, or the election of any candidate for office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representative…shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.â€
Title 18 U.S.C. Section 600, which says, “Whoever directly or indirectly promises any employment position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, in favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.â€
Let me spell it out for you...

If the WH said to him...

"Would you like to be our next Secretary of the Navy?"

That would be a perfectly legal job offer.

If the WH said to him..

"We will make you Secretary of the Navy if you agree not to run against Specter"

That would be a crime.

Which offer do you think the WH made?
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:18 PM
 
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Let me spell it out for you...

If the WH said to him...

"Would you like to be our next Secretary of the Navy?"

That would be a perfectly legal job offer.

If the WH said to him..

"We will make you Secretary of the Navy if you agree not to run against Specter"

That would be a crime.

Which offer do you think the WH made?

You are splitting hairs and it doesn't matter. He offered someone a job to get out of the race which is illegal. Also you're analogy is flawed:

"We will make you Secretary of the Navy if you agree not to run against Specter"

It is quite obvious that if he accepts the job he will be out of the race. This is a no brainer no matter how much you try to spin it.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Earth
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You are splitting hairs and it doesn't matter. He offered someone a job to get out of the race which is illegal. Also you're analogy is flawed:

"We will make you Secretary of the Navy if you agree not to run against Specter"

It is quite obvious that if he accepts the job he will be out of the race. This is a no brainer no matter how much you try to spin it.
The wording makes all the difference in whether the act is criminal. As Rahm Emanuel is a very slick operator, I'm sure he didn't actually say "we will make you Secretary of the Navy if you agree not to run against Specter"

Not to mention that if this law was enforced the leadership of both the Dems and GOP would all be on trial.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:25 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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You are splitting hairs and it doesn't matter. He offered someone a job to get out of the race which is illegal. Also you're analogy is flawed:

"We will make you Secretary of the Navy if you agree not to run against Specter"

It is quite obvious that if he accepts the job he will be out of the race. This is a no brainer no matter how much you try to spin it.
There has to be a stated quid pro quo. Otherwise it is simply a job offer.

Get over it. That is how business is done...both in the government and out of it.

There are often a number of facets to a job that are not stated.

To offer a retired Admiral the post of Secretary of the Navy is a perfectly reasonable and legal thing to do. That it removes him from an election is simply a side effect.

The world is as it is...not how you would like it to be...
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:27 PM
 
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The wording makes all the difference in whether the act is criminal. As Rahm Emanuel is a very slick operator, I'm sure he didn't actually say "we will make you Secretary of the Navy if you agree not to run against Specter"

Not to mention that if this law was enforced the leadership of both the Dems and GOP would all be on trial.
The wording has nothing at all to do with it. Ignorance is no excuse to break the law.... And ignorance it would be. You don't think that offering someone a job who is running in an election race and not realizing that they would need to pull out is ignorance? Like I said before, you can't spin this. No matter how it was said it is the intention that matters and it is obvious what the intentions were.
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