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Old 05-27-2010, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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First, do you think MM is the mouthpiece for Soros's own unique POV? They dont soliloquize. They just bust Fox, Rush, Glennie et al.

Second, Soros isn't "funneling" money, much as you'd love to think so.
I already told shorebaby that MM should be up front in their Q&A statement and list every donor list and philanthropy outfit that funds them. They shouldnt be coy about Soros because to those who see the political players as cartoon characters, it gives the appearance of some sinister relationship and that's just an unnecessary if minor aggravation.
May I ask what MM was created for? Ok, I just did. We all know what their main reason for existence is and they do that and only that. Kind of makes one wonder since they were originally brought into being during a political campaign.
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Old 05-27-2010, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Why not give some facts, not just your opinion. Opinions are a dime a dozen.
Why should I bother since your answer would be so much the same. The purpose for the creation of Americorps was to distribute federal money to organizations, largely left leaning ones, and they do it quite well. One would think that the Congress has no idea what happens to all that money they funnel through Americorps.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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But you said they lie. They dont. They'd go out of business if they did.

Agree that they should be straightforward re everyone/everything that funds them, and that the line about "not funded by George Soros" is misleading.

You would make Clinton blush (depends by what the meaning of is, is)

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Main Entry:liePart of Speech:verbDefinition:tell an untruthSynonyms:BS, be untruthful, bear false witness, beguile, break promise, bull*, con, concoct, deceive, delude, dissemble, dissimulate, distort, dupe*, equivocate, exaggerate, fabricate, fake, falsify, fib, forswear, frame, fudge, go back on, invent, make believe, malign, misguide, misinform, misinstruct, mislead, misrepresent, misspeak, misstate, overdraw, palter, perjure, pervert, phony, plant*, prevaricate, promote, put on*, put up a front, snow*, soft-soap, string along, victimize Antonyms:be honest

If people like youself, are willing to make excuses and soft peddle their lying, they will continue to do it.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:02 AM
 
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May I ask what MM was created for? Ok, I just did. We all know what their main reason for existence is and they do that and only that. Kind of makes one wonder since they were originally brought into being during a political campaign.
I've posted the answer to you at least once, I think in this very thread. The thing is, you have to read it.
Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.

Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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They did not lie, but say they did. Is that all you got? They've been checking up on Fox and Rush since 2004.
I guess you didn't see me say somewhere here last night that I watched very carefully the Beck show yesterday and then checked out MM to see how they reported it. Yep, they managed to cut out some parts of the show that would have not served their purpose. It is very interesting to find so many depending on MM for what they know about Beck when they are doing the normal thing and what they accuse him of in using only those parts of his show that make their case and leaving out the rest.

I found it very interesting that they put out a headline about him starting in on Lippman and then showed only what he said about Creel, Bernays, and Wilson but failed to show the part about Lippman. In case you don't believe me you can see his whole show at The Daily Beck- Watch The Glenn Beck Show- May 26, 2010- Frankendodd's Financial Reform.. and compare what he said about their propaganda machine and compare what you see there to what MM showed. Yep, they are an editing bunch of cruds.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:05 AM
 
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I guess you didn't see me say somewhere here last night that I watched very carefully the Beck show yesterday and then checked out MM to see how they reported it. Yep, they managed to cut out some parts of the show that would have not served their purpose. It is very interesting to find so many depending on MM for what they know about Beck when they are doing the normal thing and what they accuse him of in using only those parts of his show that make their case and leaving out the rest.

I found it very interesting that they put out a headline about him starting in on Lippman and then showed only what he said about Creel, Bernays, and Wilson but failed to show the part about Lippman. In case you don't believe me you can see his whole show at The Daily Beck- Watch The Glenn Beck Show- May 26, 2010- Frankendodd's Financial Reform.. and compare what he said about their propaganda machine and compare what you see there to what MM showed. Yep, they are an editing bunch of cruds.
Yes, I answered your post about "why did they cut the video"? They ran something like 4 1/2 minutes of it -- that wasnt enough?

It was this: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201005260066 First mention of Lippmann -- "even MORE evil than THIS guy!" -- comes at about second :20.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Off topic we are discussing MM, If you would like to start a tea party thread I would be happy to join you there.
It is very much on topic. It helps establish a perspective. More importantly, a perspective you hold. It is logical to draw parallels between scenarios to arrive at a conclusion. Emotional to try to avoid a discussion along the lines. So, try again if you really care about a logical discussion. Would it be a lie to say that the tea party movement is funded by Dick Armey? If your answer is a yes, then you would be consistent with your rhetoric and anybody disagreeing would be a liar, as you are claiming MM to be.

But instead of drawing my own conclusions, I would prefer to hear from you. Response awaited.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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It is very much on topic. It helps establish a perspective. More importantly, a perspective you hold. It is logical to draw parallels between scenarios to arrive at a conclusion. Emotional to try to avoid a discussion along the lines. So, try again if you really care about a logical discussion. Would it be a lie to say that the tea party movement is funded by Dick Armey? If your answer is a yes, then you would be consistent with your rhetoric and anybody disagreeing would be a liar, as you are claiming MM to be.

But instead of drawing my own conclusions, I would prefer to hear from you. Response awaited.

Await all you like I have gone oh these many pages explaining why and how Media Matters lies. I do not have the time or inclination to explain it to each person on City-Data individually. Follow the thread if you have questions about the OP or Media Matters and it's lying ways I would be happy to engage you. I do not know enough about (or care that much frankly) about the Tea Party to enter into a discussion of their funding.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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Await all you like I have gone oh these many pages explaining why and how Media Matters lies. I do not have the time or inclination to explain it to each person on City-Data individually. Follow the thread if you have questions about the OP or Media Matters and it's lying ways I would be happy to engage you. I do not know enough about (or care that much frankly) about the Tea Party to enter into a discussion of their funding.
Still waiting for you to list all their lies since 2004. Oh -- you did?
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Still waiting for you to list all their lies since 2004. Oh -- you did?

Again I do not have the time or inclination. Why should I? When I present a whopper (actually 4 if you count Noah's article) you guys pretend ain't no big thing. So how many lies do I have to show you before you admit these guys are liars?
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