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Old 06-02-2010, 01:59 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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In what way is this the feds fault? In the sense of the failure to regulate the oil companies it is their fault, but the fisherman don't pay for that so they shouldn't expect that benefit. The fisherman pay no taxes, meaning they contribute nothing to the federal government regulation of the oil well and the subsequent cost of cleaning it up. So they should get what they paid for(from the government). Nothing! Anything they get from BP should be their business to get and try to compel BP to pay for.
The feds didn't follow their own rules when they allowed it, they were supposed to have a plan in place for a disaster like this and didn't...

The land and water belongs to the people not the government and the government was complicit in destroying it. Bleed the government dry as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:01 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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In your hypothetical scenario, what would the government have to do with anything. Seems like if I didn't pay any taxes I would be responsible for protecting myself from the corporation.
Why are the people responsible for paying for it when it's the corporations who are raping the environment and profiting from it?
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:35 PM
 
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Why are the people responsible for paying for it when it's the corporations who are raping the environment and profiting from it?
I didn't say the people were responsible for it. I said the government isn't responsible and it's the people's problem(who of course don't want to pay taxes) but still want the government to rescue them) and they should be responsible for their own redress.
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:36 PM
 
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The feds didn't follow their own rules when they allowed it, they were supposed to have a plan in place for a disaster like this and didn't...

The land and water belongs to the people not the government and the government was complicit in destroying it. Bleed the government dry as far as I'm concerned.
The government was not complicit in destroying anything.
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:42 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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I didn't say the people were responsible for it. I said the government isn't responsible and it's the people's problem(who of course don't want to pay taxes) but still want the government to rescue them) and they should be responsible for their own redress.
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The government was not complicit in destroying anything.
The government was supposed to, (because it felt like giving itself the power), regulate and ensure the safety of these rigs. The government did not follow its own guidelines to have equipment and plans in place to contain such a spill, it was lax on enforcing its own rules. The government is partly responsibe.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:21 PM
 
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The government was not complicit in destroying anything.
Activities in the U.S. that have the potential to adversely affect the human environment and involve Federal funding or regulation are supposed to be subject to the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and most times many other Federal environmental regulations such as the Endangered Species Act, Migratory Bird Treaty Act, Marine Mammal Act and others. If the government permitted this offshore drilling and failed to adequately analyze the alternatives, or they reached a flawed decision, it would seem that they share the cost with BP for any court-awarded damages.

It would be interesting to see how the Minerals Management Service met their NEPA obligations when they permitted this particular drill site, if in fact they did.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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The oil leak has nothing to do with the government owing anyone anything, can you imagine if the government had people on site everyday checking on oil rigs, refineries, coal mines, and every other dangerous occupation. Imagine for every two cops on the road, a government official rides in the back writing down their every move day in and day out. The fisherman with tax returns should get at least, last years take. If the shrimp and oyster's don't come back next year, BP owes them another check, and so on. The fisherman without tax returns are probably SOL.
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