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Old 06-02-2010, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Maine
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I'm curious to hear from any military personnel. I was hearing from one unnamed source that it is actually unlawful, per military rules, for homosexuals to serve in the military. That Don't Ask, Don't tell was actually the policy that allowed them to serve, providing they didn't reveal their sexual orientation.

Anyway, the gist of what he was saying was that repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell would not permit gays to serve openly, but would have the exact opposite effect of closing the military off to gays.

His message was along the lines of "be careful what you wish for."

So are there any military personnel here that could either confirm or deny what this guy said? I have my own opinions on the matter, but I'm looking for a matter of fact, not of opinion.
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Maine
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For anyone interested in reading the letter of the law, here it is.

United States Code: Title 10,654. Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces | LII / Legal Information Institute
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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I'm curious to hear from any military personnel. I was hearing from one unnamed source that it is actually unlawful, per military rules, for homosexuals to serve in the military. That Don't Ask, Don't tell was actually the policy that allowed them to serve, providing they didn't reveal their sexual orientation.

Anyway, the gist of what he was saying was that repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell would not permit gays to serve openly, but would have the exact opposite effect of closing the military off to gays.

His message was along the lines of "be careful what you wish for."

So are there any military personnel here that could either confirm or deny what this guy said? I have my own opinions on the matter, but I'm looking for a matter of fact, not of opinion.
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Well dah. Obviously the purpose is rewrite this code so gays can openly servve in the military. I thought every fool would know this.
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I'm curious to hear from any military personnel. I was hearing from one unnamed source that it is actually unlawful, per military rules, for homosexuals to serve in the military. That Don't Ask, Don't tell was actually the policy that allowed them to serve, providing they didn't reveal their sexual orientation.

Anyway, the gist of what he was saying was that repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell would not permit gays to serve openly, but would have the exact opposite effect of closing the military off to gays.

His message was along the lines of "be careful what you wish for."

So are there any military personnel here that could either confirm or deny what this guy said? I have my own opinions on the matter, but I'm looking for a matter of fact, not of opinion.
Military rules are at the command of the President. He will issue orders to change or do away with them as he sees fit. The military might as well get used to the idea that the gays are going to serve whether they like it or not. Quit fighting a battle you cannot win.
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Military rules are at the command of the President.
False.

Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution.

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The Congress shall have Power ... To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces ...
Congress makes the laws, even for the military.

The president cannot do much of anything unilaterally.
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:52 AM
 
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The pink brigade will ride.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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False.

Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution.



Congress makes the laws, even for the military.

The president cannot do much of anything unilaterally.
Good post. This should clear up any misunderstanding.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:07 AM
 
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Homosexual conduct is still grounds for discharge from the U.S. military. Dont ask..dont tell was merely a compromise instituted by Clinton. They no longer ask you your sexual preference when you sign up for the military and being a homosexual no longer stops an individual from serving. It just means we wont ask you anymore and dont tell us either. When dont ask..dont tell is repealed...then a gay person will no longer have to hide the fact that he/she is gay. They can state it openly without fear of reprisal, HOWEVER, this does not mean that anyone caught "performing homosexual acts" cannot be discharged from the military. This would require a rewrite of the law.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Man, people sure are panicky about homosexuality. It's amazing to me that so many people are still afraid of it.
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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HOWEVER, this does not mean that anyone caught "performing homosexual acts" cannot be discharged from the military. This would require a rewrite of the law.
And someone caught "performing heterosexual acts?"
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