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Old 06-03-2010, 06:41 AM
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It is Obama's mess now, that for sure. Thankfully we have adult leadership in the White House again.
Did Obama resign today?
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:47 AM
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Good point.

And, Pres. Washington would have been in a real pickle, with no one to blame. Obama can count his lucky stars that it was Bush and not Clinton who preceded him in office.

Correct. Leadership is not blaming everyone else for the problems you face or your personal failures. It is about taking responsibility and acting. This president is a fool who can do nothing but blame, as he is insecure and incompetent to act.

EVERY president has inherited the problems of his predecessor. EVERY ONE. NO PRESIDENT has shirked thier duties and resorted to blame of the previous administration to this extent to cloak thier own incompetence. Obama has made this an art form. Witness all his loyal followers on this board who mimick his policy and literally blame Bush for everything. It is as though a memo was sent out instructing every liberal to use this excuse for every policy failure. Break a finger nail- blame Bush. Late for a dinner date- blame Bush. Lost your wallet- blame Bush. It is so easy and can be applied to every situation in which one wants to shirk personal responsibility.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:06 AM
 
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Do we really care what Dick Morris thinks?? No! He is paid by Fox News to say that stuff.
Exactly. He's a partisan hack who isn't even bright enough to come up with anything original or insightful and instead just repeats what ever retarded stuff he hears in the conservative echo chamber. I guess some poor dumb people consider that insightful analysis though.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:33 AM
 
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Do we really care what Dick Morris thinks?? No! He is paid by Fox News to say that stuff.
Thank you for noting hs enhanced credibility as a member of Fox News "team". However, in addition to the enhancement to credibility that affiliation with Fox News brings, Dick has his own credibilty having once served as a political consultant for Bill Clinton. However, after 8 years of being involved with that bunch, Dick's eyes were opened and he became a conservative. However, he has a great deal of background, experience and perspective to rely upon. Truly, a great asset in the war for freedom and liberty renewed.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:37 AM
 
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It is Obama's mess now, that for sure. Thankfully we have adult leadership in the White House again.
Yes, but the janitorial staff isn't running the country, the Leadership-devoid Oval Office is. Perhaps he could grab a janitor at-random and plop them behind the Oval Office Desk. They absolutely could NOT do a worse job than Obama.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:51 AM
 
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Right. Blame Bush. I forgot.

1. Bush, after leaving office, has held Obama captive and has forced him to spend $1 trillion per year beyond revenues.
Yeah the money was committed by Bush

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2. Bush pushed through "Obamacare", adding $3..2 trillion in debt
$3.2 T? Nonpartisan CBO says it saves money.
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3. Bush failed to organize the army corps of engineers and oil skimmers to clean up the current oil spill. He forced Obama to wait 5 weeks before doing anything, as Bush had him bound up and gagged in the oval office.
Army Corp of Engineers has nothing to do with oil drilling in the Gulf. And BP is the responsible party. Remember the RW mantra, use the private sector?
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4. Bush forced Obama to abandon traditional alliances built over 30 years and abandon the Brits, the Israelis, Japan, and eastern europe. Despite not being in office, he called up Obama and double dog dared him to do something REALLY stupid.
We broke off diplomatic relations with Britain, Japan, Israel and eastern Europe? Actually worldwide people seem please that Bush is gone.
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If the libs are going to blame Bush for everything, they might as well put him back in office, as they are going to blame him for every mistake Obama makes. Obama is not a leader- he is a child. I am certainly glad that Lincoln did not occupy his time blaming the previous administration, otherwise we would have lost the civil war.
Aw now you're going to pout.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:52 AM
 
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Yes, but the janitorial staff isn't running the country, the Leadership-devoid Oval Office is. Perhaps he could grab a janitor at-random and plop them behind the Oval Office Desk. They absolutely could NOT do a worse job than Obama.
So you're looking for a job. Bring your mop and assemble in New Orleans.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:43 AM
 
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So you're looking for a job. Bring your mop and assemble in New Orleans.
That IS the message Obama sent not all that long ago when he complained that people were too busy finding fault and where to lay blame. He said "grab a mop".
Obama tells critics: 'Grab a mop' - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com

Obama goes around making gigantic diplomatic blunders around the world and running up our country's debt, all the while blaming his predecessor and shirking HIS responsibility for the mess HE is creating thinking that we missed his playing of the "blame game" once again.

If Obama spent as much effort on cleaning up the "mess that Bush left" as he does in standing around and pointing at it, we'd be much farther along. Maybe HE should stop the political posturing and grab a mop instead.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:46 AM
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Yeah the money was committed by Bush

$3.2 T? Nonpartisan CBO says it saves money.
Army Corp of Engineers has nothing to do with oil drilling in the Gulf. And BP is the responsible party. Remember the RW mantra, use the private sector?
We broke off diplomatic relations with Britain, Japan, Israel and eastern Europe? Actually worldwide people seem please that Bush is gone.

Aw now you're going to pout.
1. Obamacare saves money?

Okay- so we add 30 million patients and we "save money"? That was a great trick. Consider that part of the "savings" is cutting $500 billion from medicare (which they now say they will not do). This is completely ridiculous and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that this will cost a bundle. The CBO makes estimates based on the data given to them -garbage in- garbage out. The real estimates of the cost are $3.2 trillion.

2. The army corps of engineers has everything to do with the gulf. Who do you think built the levees in New Orleans? Who built the intra-coastal waterway? Who is in charge of construction of berms and coastal erosion? Why it is the army corps of engineers! Perhaps you should tell Obama, as he does not know that either.

3. Use the private sector? Of course! But for national emergencies? Did the federal government do nothing during Katrina? Who was howling for more federal intervention? In EVERY other oil spill, governments have acted to construct sea and land barriers for containment. A private company just does not have a fleet handy to perform such operations- only the feds do. Are you really serious in that you excuse Obama's lack of skimmers and sea barriers? If so, you enjoy and advocate incompetence.

4. "We" (meaning Obama) has alienated eastern europe, the UK, Israel and Japan with moronic policy. Has be broken off diplomatic relations? WTF? Of course he has not gone that far, as that would be preparation for war. Thankfully, Obama is not dumb enough to declare war on our former allies, but he has completely alienated the only friends that we had on the planet in hopes of appeasing the Arabs, Chinese, and Russians. What has happened? The Russians, Chinese, and Arabs do not care and he has enraged and abandoned our allies. Great job!

If Barry is so opposed to war,

a. why has he not withdrawn from Afganistan?
b. why is he threatening incursions into Pakistan?
c. why has he allowed Iran to develop the bomb?
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Old 06-03-2010, 09:11 AM
 
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1. Obamacare saves money?

Okay- so we add 30 million patients and we "save money"? That was a great trick. Consider that part of the "savings" is cutting $500 billion from medicare (which they now say they will not do). This is completely ridiculous and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that this will cost a bundle. The CBO makes estimates based on the data given to them -garbage in- garbage out. The real estimates of the cost are $3.2 trillion.
Your complaint is with the CBO. They are the arbiter of deficit projections.

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2. The army corps of engineers has everything to do with the gulf. Who do you think built the levees in New Orleans? Who built the intra-coastal waterway? Who is in charge of construction of berms and coastal erosion? Why it is the army corps of engineers! Perhaps you should tell Obama, as he does not know that either.
All inland waters. Try again.

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3. Use the private sector? Of course! But for national emergencies? Did the federal government do nothing during Katrina? Who was howling for more federal intervention? In EVERY other oil spill, governments have acted to construct sea and land barriers for containment. A private company just does not have a fleet handy to perform such operations- only the feds do. Are you really serious in that you excuse Obama's lack of skimmers and sea barriers? If so, you enjoy and advocate incompetence.
No private sector entity is responsible for a storm. For the entire history of oil drilling the private sector has been responsible for the cleanups.

You do make a valid point though. It's clear that we need a massive government group that will take the lead on future oil spills. It's clear that we can't trust the private sector. Reagan was obviously wrong, government is the answer.


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4. "We" (meaning Obama) has alienated eastern europe, the UK, Israel and Japan with moronic policy. Has be broken off diplomatic relations? WTF? Of course he has not gone that far, as that would be preparation for war. Thankfully, Obama is not dumb enough to declare war on our former allies, but he has completely alienated the only friends that we had on the planet in hopes of appeasing the Arabs, Chinese, and Russians. What has happened? The Russians, Chinese, and Arabs do not care and he has enraged and abandoned our allies. Great job!
How about some facts to buttress this flight of fancy?

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If Barry is so opposed to war,

a. why has he not withdrawn from Afganistan?
b. why is he threatening incursions into Pakistan?
c. why has he allowed Iran to develop the bomb?
a. He never campaigned that we should withdraw from Afghanistan.

b. Making transparent what Bush did secretly.

c. We have no power to stop Iran from developing the bomb. Any idiot could see that from the flailing of the Bush Administration.
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