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Old 06-04-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lamontnow View Post
Why do people like you keep screaming about INTERNATIONAL WATERS!?
You have absolutely NO idea of what you are talking about.
I direct your attention to the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea. Specifically, paragraph 67-68:
67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:
(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;<
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

I highlighted the relevant clauses. IT WAS LEGAL.

Repeating a lie a thousand times does not make it true. Educate yourself.
Ok, yes you have a point.

So the attention turns to was this blockade itself legal? Because that law does not apply if not.

“The real question is: “Is the blockade itself lawful?’” says Douglas Guilfoyle, a specialist in international and maritime law at University College London. "Everything else turns on that."
Mr. Guilfoyle says that under the international Law of Armed Conflict a state that has legally established a blockade can enforce it by boarding vessels in international waters that it reasonably expects might breach the blockade.
But a blockade itself is illegal, he says, "if it will cause excessive damage to the civilian population in relation to the military advantage gained... so therefore intercepting a vessel on the high seas to support or enforce the blockade would not be lawful.”
Was Israel's raid on Gaza Freedom Flotilla legal? - CSMonitor.com
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Old 06-04-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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Ok, yes you have a point.

So the attention turns to was this blockade itself legal? Because that law does not apply if not.

“The real question is: “Is the blockade itself lawful?’” says Douglas Guilfoyle, a specialist in international and maritime law at University College London. "Everything else turns on that."
Mr. Guilfoyle says that under the international Law of Armed Conflict a state that has legally established a blockade can enforce it by boarding vessels in international waters that it reasonably expects might breach the blockade.
But a blockade itself is illegal, he says, "if it will cause excessive damage to the civilian population in relation to the military advantage gained... so therefore intercepting a vessel on the high seas to support or enforce the blockade would not be lawful.”
Was Israel's raid on Gaza Freedom Flotilla legal? - CSMonitor.com
And this says it's likely not lawful as well. The San Remo Manual in all likelyhood does not apply. Author is an expert in Maritime Law

Opinio Juris » Blog Archive » Why Is Israel’s Blockade of Gaza Legal? (Updated)
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:13 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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All the usual antisem commentators gathered here...

Well,as a constructive comment I say this...

As the antisems invent new "sophisticated" methods of antisemitism,the Israelis+ Jews+ prosemites should work intellectually & counterattack that propaganda...

It is so clear that the antisems want to portray Gaza as...an occupied territory were..."poor babies suffer".

They will run more & more convoys of hate...

Now,we,the good ,must be resilient. Either we go tough,support stopping the convoys by force,or go soft & allow them to carry that "humanitarian aid " to Gaza.

Let the cocroaches assist other cocroaches,as long as they don't bother the eagle...
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:14 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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President offered Palestinians a state, and they refused


instead, they chose to be governed by supporters of terrorist, and corruption.
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Palestinian Arabs have been offered the opportunity to create a state many times, starting with plans advanced during the British Mandate which the Arabs rejected. Then the United Nation partition plan of 1947, which brought Israel into existence, included a nation for the Palestinians, but the Arabs rejected it. Over the decades since there has been plan after plan that would bring peace to the region and a state for the Palestinians: all they had to do was let Israel live in peace. Arabs rejected all these plans, up to and including at Camp David in 2000Taba in 2001, and kept the armed struggle going. LINK
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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All the usual antisem commentators gathered here...

Well,as a constructive comment I say this...

As the antisems invent new "sophisticated" methods of antisemitism,the Israelis+ Jews+ prosemites should work intellectually & counterattack that propaganda...

It is so clear that the antisems want to portray Gaza as...an occupied territory were..."poor babies suffer".

They will run more & more convoys of hate...

Now,we,the good ,must be resilient. Either we go tough,support stopping the convoys by force,or go soft & allow them to carry that "humanitarian aid " to Gaza.

Let the cocroaches assist other cocroaches,as long as they don't bother the eagle...
I'll pay for your one way ticket to Israel. I'm only interested in seeing Americans in America. BTW, the symbol of Israel is the star of David, not the eagle.

Oh yeah, please return your race card back to Al Sharpton when you're done ranting.
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Ummm, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the Palestinians have been given quite a few concessions , over quite a bit of time, and the rockets continued to fall.
Concessions? These are human beings, not dogs at which you toss a few bones and expect them to prance around with it.

Oppression is oppression, regardless of the color of glasses one chooses to wear (or is born with).
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:25 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Concessions? These are human beings, not dogs at which you toss a few bones and expect them to prance around with it.

Oppression is oppression, regardless of the color of glasses one chooses to wear (or is born with).
Can You READ!!!

President offered Palestinians a state, and they refused


instead, they chose to be governed by supporters of terrorist, and corruption.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Palestinian Arabs have been offered the opportunity to create a state many times, starting with plans advanced during the British Mandate which the Arabs rejected. Then the United Nation partition plan of 1947, which brought Israel into existence, included a nation for the Palestinians, but the Arabs rejected it. Over the decades since there has been plan after plan that would bring peace to the region and a state for the Palestinians: all they had to do was let Israel live in peace. Arabs rejected all these plans, up to and including at Camp David in 2000Taba in 2001, and kept the armed struggle going. and LINK
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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I am so much more of a true American than any antisem with US citizenship...

Amers & Jews have the soul of an eagle...

The Pals are like the Cypriots with the Turks... They never wanted peaceful coexistence in a shared land ,but extermination of the other party instead...

Israelis could well coexist with Lebanese christians in a Checkoslovakia- type confederation...

It is the islamists who are the root of all evil in the area...
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:52 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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So if a random country like Iran illegally boarded an American ship in international waters, the Americans reacted violently to the illegal raid, and one Iranian killed 6 Americans, would you think that guy deserves a medal?
What was illegal about it?

When the USCG intercepts suspected drug boats is that illegal too?
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Old 06-04-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I am so much more of a true American than any antisem with US citizenship...
Nah, I'm more of an American than you could ever be. I probably own more guns, have more bbqs, and like more American sports. Shall we measure penis size next?

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Amers & Jews have the soul of an eagle...
You are confusing Israelis with Jews. But, that's what you get when faced with touchy feely liberal garbage like "soul of the eagle".

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The Pals are like the Cypriots with the Turks... They never wanted peaceful coexistence in a shared land ,but extermination of the other party instead...
yawn.

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Israelis could well coexist with Lebanese christians in a Checkoslovakia- type confederation...
But they can't coexist with Palestinean Christians?

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It is the islamists who are the root of all evil in the area...
Palestinean Christians too?

Don't forget to add some more antisem racism remarks. It really gives your posts more flair, kind of like your buddies Al Sharpton and Barack Obama.
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