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Old 06-05-2010, 01:01 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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America is behind Israel. It is the radical Left, who are supporters of hamas and hezbollah, that are against Israel.
And why do we need to basically subsidize them at taxpayers' expense? I thought you were against "socialism."

There are plenty of Americans who are not "behind Israel" - and yes, they are still Americans.
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Old 06-05-2010, 04:00 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Israel is well within their right to board and search/confiscate weapons. We all know now that if this flotilla were serious about sending aid to gaza, they would have taken the route of least conflict, but they just followed the cue of the obama administration, whose actions and behavior toward Israel have given the rest of the world the go-ahead to attack her.


As all people willing to look at both sides of the story know if Israel were ever serious about seeking a lasting peace in the region they would have taken the route of least conflict. Stop the phony victim blame Obama crap, Israel brings many of its problems upon itself.
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Old 06-05-2010, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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America is behind Israel. It is the radical Left, who are supporters of hamas and hezbollah, that are against Israel.
Their are plenty of liberals (and those who you consider radical left), that support Israel.
(most jews I know, including the jewish members of my family are all liberal and do not support hamas or hezbollah)

Most of them, I would say, are consistently supportive which is more then many conservatives who only support when it is convenient or profitable.

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Old 06-05-2010, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Israel has every right to do what it is doing and the WH response to what they are doing, is perfectly reasonable and quite correct.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:01 AM
 
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But this was in international waters-and if you care about law and order, and not your own ideas of it (which people like Hitler did), you will agree that Israel broke international laws.
The International Law of Sea:
"Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:
(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture; (b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy; (c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces; (d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system; (e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or (f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions." (See ILRG: San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994 - http://www.ilrg.com/subject/lawofwar...emomanual.html )

So based on the above it was not illegal for the Israelis to board the ships in international waters.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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As all people willing to look at both sides of the story know if Israel were ever serious about seeking a lasting peace in the region they would have taken the route of least conflict. Stop the phony victim blame Obama crap, Israel brings many of its problems upon itself.
Oh that's right. Absolve the ones who are instigating the fight of any and all responsibility.

Couldn't you say the same of the militants and their supporters?

They were offered a deal to sail to Ashdod for cargo inspection. Instead, they decided the time was ripe for conflict - and boy did they get what they were looking for.

The Rachel Cory was boarded without incident yesterday.

Israel has every right and is within international law for the blockade of gaza AND the boarding of ships in international waters that are headed for gaza.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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No, it is not nonsense.

That is why Israel is facing such heat--if it was nonsense, there'd be no outcry.

Weapons on board? Knives and sticks can now be interpreted as WMD?
They have a blockade in place, which is their right against an avowed enemy that lobs rockets onto the citizens of Israel. They are also within international law when it comes to boarded ships that are trying to evade the blockade.

Really, why don't you read up on these issues instead of chowing down on the talking points from the militants and their supporters on the Left.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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An excellent piece by Charles K.
A piece of something, indeed.

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Israel is well within their right to board and search/confiscate weapons. We all know now that if this flotilla were serious about sending aid to gaza, they would have taken the route of least conflict, but they just followed the cue of the obama administration, whose actions and behavior toward Israel have given the rest of the world the go-ahead to attack her.
Good. I only wish they succeed next time.

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Yes, there is little doubt that nations hostile to Israel are embolden by obama's apparent disdain for an ally
When will you folks stop lying about Israel being an "ally"? We do not have a mutual defense treaty with them, therefore by definition they are not an "ally."

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I still cannot fathom how the Left can so readily side with terrorist organizations like hamas and hezbollah.
I don't consider myself mortgaged either to the left or the right, but fwiw, I favor the Palestinian national cause because they have the moral high ground. They are the robbed, vanquished, expelled rightful owners of what is now called "Israel." I want them to get it back, and I don't see how that relates to whether taxes should be higher or lower or any other "left/right" issue.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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They are also within international law when it comes to boarded ships that are trying to evade the blockade.
Israel used an attempted naval blockade as the casus belli for launching the Six-Day War in 1967--when the shoe was on the other foot.

As for international law. Israel has been in continuing violation of it since its refusal, in 1949, to honor UN Resolution 194 on the repatriation of refugees. Add that to its refusal to obey UN Res 242, 338, and so on, but of course any excuses they give for that are automatically good ones, aren't they?
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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So based on the above it was not illegal for the Israelis to board the ships in international waters.
Under which subheading?
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