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Old 11-02-2011, 09:25 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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NYC delivers an extensive and unbeatable mass transit experience in a 12 square mile area known as Manhattan. Outside of Manhattan the level of service drops rapidly. NYC busses and trains have no accommodations for bicycles. Service on weekends is nightmarish... ... see what happens when you rest on your laurels.

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Not really , Transit is really strong in Bronx , Brooklyn , Queens , Essex , Westchester and Hudson Counties , its not all Subways ...but its extensive....While the Subway and buses do not have a room for bikes , they are allowed and are carried on Urban Jersey Light Rail , buses and subway...and on the regional rail all across this region....2 bikes per car or 1 bike per bus rack... Service on the weekends and overnight is half the system that operates during the weekday , they do construction projects during the weekend....and overnight... Its not like Ridership is bigger , Transit Ridership in this region drops from 14 Million to 6 Million....
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: clackamas county
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not enough people live by the max to stay open late at night right now, you could bike to where the max goes. ive biked from the clackamas tow center to the top of the hill in oregon city and that sucks.
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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This thing stops running at 11:49 pm from PDX? Now I remember why I left this dark, sleepy town where everything shuts down at 9 pm. What a joke, billions spent on this crappy street level train system and they can't even keep it running- and they still want to build more tracks - to Milwaukee and in addition cut more stops/routes/times.

What a sham the city leaders are; Touting for years how great MAX is. All I have ever seen on it are 'fair collectors' harassing me to see my ticket (why? because I am the only person on the train who doesn't look like I'll stab them or get belligerent with them) while they leave the hobo's boozing out of a paper bag alone and the crackheads rambling/stumbling up and down the isles. As well as numerous drug deals and verbal altercations I've seen on the few times I've been on MAX.

I'm glad I'm not paying the 10%+ income tax, 10+% cap. gains tax, as well as all the socialist Multnomah county taxes. What a joke my hometown/state has become.
We have street cars in Toronto...just by my place a couple of them had a crash on a turn. It is real old technology - In fact to stop the car..the driver presses a button - no joke --- SAND pours out of a little opening and deposits it self into the track to gain some grip...IF the tracks are not cleaned regularly - The sand builds up and the car jumps the tracks on occassion. This shuts down traffic for an hour or so while the crews arrive with jacks and trucks to get the thing back on track...Don't feel bad - be are living in the 1800s...as far as above ground rail service...BUT the subways are pretty good - I have noticed in the last few years they are getting more and more dirty ----------so what they do in TORONTO - is buy new ones....lol.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR / Las Vegas, NV
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But then for people who didn't know it when it really did get you everywhere, and before the bus lines were severely curtailed and eliminated, I suppose it seems pretty good.
The lines that have been cut were low ridership lines where the cost per boarding was high. The reason for the cuts are economy driven. TriMet gets the majority of its funding from payroll tax. When people are not working, there is no payroll tax from their employer. They have to cut somewhere to keep the lights on.

Forest Grove to Estacada, Vancouver to Oregon City seems like pretty good coverage to me.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Heights OH
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The lines that have been cut were low ridership lines where the cost per boarding was high. The reason for the cuts are economy driven. TriMet gets the majority of its funding from payroll tax. When people are not working, there is no payroll tax from their employer. They have to cut somewhere to keep the lights on.

Forest Grove to Estacada, Vancouver to Oregon City seems like pretty good coverage to me.
That's now maybe but the cutbacks began when the first MAX was introduced back in the 80's.

I have seen cutbacks on major lines like the 14 that I use. This is a major bus line. To which lines were you refering?
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR / Las Vegas, NV
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That's now maybe but the cutbacks began when the first MAX was introduced back in the 80's.

I have seen cutbacks on major lines like the 14 that I use. This is a major bus line. To which lines were you refering?
The major lines (Frequent Srevice) still have the peak service thay always have. The reductions are only frequency during non-peak hours.

TriMet: Frequent Service Lines

I was referring to outlining routes that just don't have the ridership to justify the costs.
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Old 11-05-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Heights OH
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The major lines (Frequent Service) still have the peak service that always have. The reductions are only frequency during non-peak hours.

TriMet: Frequent Service Lines

I was referring to outlining routes that just don't have the ridership to justify the costs.
But my point was that frequently run inner-city bus routes were also cut back. Not only the outlying ones.

They did not always have the peak service times to which you are referring. Some had better times. The No 14 used to go all the way through downtown to the Lloyd Center and traveled like the other major bus lines every 7 minutes during rush hour and then every 10-15 during off-hours. Now they travel every 15 minutes during all hours even rush hour.

I suppose Trimet decided that people could ride the 14 to MAX downtown and transfer to the MAX. With the last change in the 14 schedule, the last stop for the 14 which was formerly all the way to Union Station was changed to 6th and Main.

An example of a small but well-used bus line was the No 29. It ran from the Woodstock area on 39th to downtown. It was always full during rush hour and pretty well full on off-hours. It was discontinued when the first MAX came to being. Ironically, it was no where near any MAX train so why it was chosen to be removed was never clear to me.
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:06 AM
 
Location: SE Portland, OR
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I have to rant a little that the more I use Trimet the less impressed I am with it. Had to take the MAX home from the airport yesterday midday, and it took over 1:15, I only live about 9 miles away and I'm a mile from a MAX line. Had to wait 15 mins. for the train to leave the airport (I don't understand why they have to have a train sitting there at all times, so you have to wait until the next train arrives to leave). 16 mins. waiting to transfer to the Green line at Gateway TC. Then I get to my connection with the #19 bus line and I missed the bus by about a minute and the next bus is not coming for another 30 mins! SO I just walked the rest of the way at that point.

I think TriMet is expensive, the trains are WAY to slow (I know it is not optimized for speed, but they could even just speed up all the stops, the doors are open for WAY too long), and the connection times are just sad. MAX should be efficiently running every 10 mins.

Having just come back from DC (and I don't think the Metro is even the best transit system in the US), it was pretty disappointing.

If I ever get the choice it's so much faster and more convenient to just ride my bike places.
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Old 11-10-2011, 02:39 AM
 
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If there's one thing about Portland I love, it's the MAX system. Honestly I think it's great, pretty frequent, affordable, decent amount of stops etc. It's understandable as so many others have said Portland is a much smaller city and it's great they even have this line to the airport to begin with. Though it may be slightly limited in hours
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:20 AM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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Had to wait 15 mins. for the train to leave the airport (I don't understand why they have to have a train sitting there at all times, so you have to wait until the next train arrives to leave).
Homeland security rules. An officer scans the train after it unloads. He then sits there and watches that nobody brings anything too suspicious onboard.

It annoys me too, but I'm not sure of a better way to do it considering how it's laid out. At least the stop is closer to the airport building. It used to be you still had to walk about half a mile to get to the terminal.
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