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Old 03-17-2012, 12:15 AM
 
Location: SE Portland, OR
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Portland does exist past 92nd (despite how the area is treated by city hall) in SE and NE.
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR / Las Vegas, NV
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Portland does exist past 92nd (despite how the area is treated by city hall) in SE and NE.
It looks like every main east west street is covered by Trimet.

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Old 03-17-2012, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Portland does exist past 92nd (despite how the area is treated by city hall) in SE and NE.
I never said it didn't. But thanks for letting me know it's there.

I happened to be talking about a Circle Line around the city center. I really don't think the entire city needs to be criss-crossed with MAX (or streetcar) lines, though I'm sure it'd be a convenient thing for some.
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Old 03-17-2012, 02:17 PM
 
Location: clackamas county
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the max goes back to 1886 when i was born what happened to the electric buss?
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Heights OH
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the max goes back to 1886 when i was born what happened to the electric buss?
Um, I think you meant 1986. That's when the first MAX began operating.
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: clackamas county
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ya 1886 is a ways back

theres supposed to be a huge earthquake, i think a bigger electric busses would be better

or we could all move to london when that happens

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Old 03-17-2012, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Tualatin, Oregon
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I don't think any of the transit planning is meant for "the short run."
My comments were in the context of the streetcar as a development tool, not as a transit tool, but if you want to come in here and make a case as to why streetcars are such a wonderful thing along lower density routes, have fun. And wave hi to the empty WES trains while you're at it.
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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My comments were in the context of the streetcar as a development tool, not as a transit tool, but if you want to come in here and make a case as to why streetcars are such a wonderful thing along lower density routes, have fun. And wave hi to the empty WES trains while you're at it.
Sheesh. What is it with all this reading things into what I post that don't have a single thing to do with what I said?

Where did this segue into a discussion of lower density routes? And what does WES have to do with anything, being neither a streetcar nor the MAX?

The streetcar as a development tool? I work along Grand Ave. There are already lots of refugee businesses in this area that have been driven out of downtown by the high prices. The area is ripe for development.

As for WES. You go ahead and do the waving. I live in Portland.
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Old 03-17-2012, 11:00 PM
 
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The streetcar as a development tool? I work along Grand Ave. There are already lots of refugee businesses in this area that have been driven out of downtown by the high prices. The area is ripe for development.
Is that the same Grand Ave. that's now got rails and power lines running down it, just waiting for the new streetcar loop that will run over the Broadway Bridge to the north and the new transit bridge to the south?

I can't wait to ride the east side streetcar.
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Old 03-17-2012, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Tualatin, Oregon
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Sheesh. What is it with all this reading things into what I post that don't have a single thing to do with what I said?
Perhaps not you personally, but some people who blindly defend Trimet tend to wave off critiques with dismissive remarks like "you have to look at the long run, not the short run."

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Where did this segue into a discussion of lower density routes?
The OP asked for funding sources, many mentioned TIF. Development-->density-->TIF--> funding.
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And what does WES have to do with anything, being neither a streetcar nor the MAX?
WES is what happens when you build something that may begin to bear fruit several generations in the future.
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The streetcar as a development tool?
Yes, that is the primary goal of the streetcar line... "Development Oriented Transit".
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I work along Grand Ave. There are already lots of refugee businesses in this area that have been driven out of downtown by the high prices. The area is ripe for development.
The hope would be for massive redevelopment, not refugee businesses occupying light industrial spaces, but that's a start. Which goes back to what I was trying to say originally... the city should have done more to encourage entertainment-related redevelopment adjacent to the Rose Quarter - that, combined with the eastside streetcar and the other amenities along the route, could give the eastside line a better shot at meeting its goal.

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As for WES. You go ahead and do the waving. I live in Portland.
Well just wave goodbye to the cash then, unless you don't care about the giant hole it is blowing into Trimet's budget.
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