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Old 06-09-2012, 12:39 PM
 
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The job market here is very competitive. IT jobs are around but there's a lot of competition. I work at Intel right now, but a lot of the IT work is outsourced or given to contractors(like myself)--which is okay if you're looking for steady paychecks while you find a permanent job and/or don't have to worry about paying too much for your own health insurance.

To the OP--if you keep your old job, with $37,000 you'll be able to find a place on your own, but you'll be paying most of your income to rent. If you want your own home/townhome you'll be paying close to $1,300-$1,500 minimum for most parts of Portland--though you could find a good deal on a duplex for cheaper--I saw places that were decent for around $800-$900 a month, though it was basically an apartment just connected to one other unit in terms of being a duplex. A lot of people have roommates in Portland just because to be able to live in the trendy closer-in neighborhoods, the cost of living is pretty high to afford a house rental for people making under $60,000 a year on their own--unlike San Francisco or New York, where people often need a roommate just to afford an apartment.

If you really want to find a house one could afford on their own in that salary range, you might just have to look further out in the suburbs. You can find homes for under $1,000 a month in the further out suburbs.

 
Old 06-09-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Heights OH
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Competition, competition, competition for the so few jobs available. For example. Adidas is hiring retail clerks. They are hiring maybe two or three. They weeded applicants down to 70. From there they will keep going down until they find the right ones.

IT unfortuately is the same. So many people in it unless you are knowledgable in the high-tech areas.

Now, can you make it in Portland with a salary of $37,000? Providing you will be able to find that salary because they are often lower than for similar jobs in other places, yes you can. But you will have to compromise. Forget the townhouse. Wherever you go they are going to run you over $1000 a month and there are not that many of them in Portland to begin with.

In the closer in neighborhoods with all the amenities you can pay that much for a studio or one bedroom. Sometimes, if you scour the neighborhood on a daily basis you can find something for less but you have to pounce on it. Again, competition, competition, competition.

Now not all doom and gloom. If you find a job at around what you are earning now, you will be able to afford an apartment further away from downtown and the more convenient neighborhoods. But that's an apartment not a townhouse.

If you intend to drive, the 'burbs shouldn't be a problem for you. And there is some bus or light rail service to be had.

For what you want; an IT job, a townhouse and the ability to live on your present salary, I would suggest the suburbs. Beaverton has IT companies. You could apply to Stream or maybe even ACS. Maybe even Intel if you have the skills. Right now you can find a place to live in Beaverton for less than in Portland but it will probably not be your townhouse.

It's just a matter of compromise. If you wish to relocate to Portland you will have to give up some of your wants and needs. It's just something to take a good long look at to determine if the move will be right for you.

Final word, and I cannot stress this enough. Please come here, have some fun. There is lots to do. But get a real feel for the place. Take a look at housing and ask how others are making it. Check things out as thoroughly as you can.
 
Old 06-09-2012, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Leaving Montana for good...
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If you're hearing doom and gloom, most of the time it is due to crazy optimistic people who want to move here, and are convinced they know more about the city than people who actually do live here.

I agree with you though, I don't think the jobs situation is as bad here as everyone says. I also think you may be underestimating how much bigger than Missoula Portland actually is.

So far you haven't really told us why you want to move here, other than for a change. You don't sound like you're too into the "liberal, hippie" culture. You're from Missoula, so I'll assume you're maybe into outdoor stuff (though the gaming comments and I do indoor things would differ), is that the reason?

Have you been to Portland much?

I went exploring Portland last year in Sept. Went to the downtown area, ate at the cafe place across from the trac train, went to the very cool arcade video game place and just took in the sights. Drove around the interstate across the river from Vancouver were I stayed with some close family friends who I could board up with while I try to situation myself with a place to life, went and check out the big mansion on top of the hill and explored some of the business district. I"m gonna go back in July and explore more of the river side area's and living area's for townhome's. I also checked out match.com in regards to woman that im looking to date and there is CRAP Loads more of the kinda woman im looking for in a relationship, so that was very encouraging

So yes, I have a good idea of how big Portland is compared to my hometown. As far as weather, well I can't have everything but Portland has more of what I want and if weather is a trade off, so be it. I'm not very outdoorsey anymore, so doing alot of hiking and biking is not my thing. Day walks and hikes is about all I will wanna do if I move to that area. I have a cat, i'm not into dogs so i'm not gonna go dog walking either

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The job market here is very competitive. IT jobs are around but there's a lot of competition. I work at Intel right now, but a lot of the IT work is outsourced or given to contractors(like myself)--which is okay if you're looking for steady paychecks while you find a permanent job and/or don't have to worry about paying too much for your own health insurance.

To the OP--if you keep your old job, with $37,000 you'll be able to find a place on your own, but you'll be paying most of your income to rent. If you want your own home/townhome you'll be paying close to $1,300-$1,500 minimum for most parts of Portland--though you could find a good deal on a duplex for cheaper--I saw places that were decent for around $800-$900 a month, though it was basically an apartment just connected to one other unit in terms of being a duplex. A lot of people have roommates in Portland just because to be able to live in the trendy closer-in neighborhoods, the cost of living is pretty high to afford a house rental for people making under $60,000 a year on their own--unlike San Francisco or New York, where people often need a roommate just to afford an apartment.

If you really want to find a house one could afford on their own in that salary range, you might just have to look further out in the suburbs. You can find homes for under $1,000 a month in the further out suburbs.

I guess it will just depend on what kinda job I can find in my field and what kind of income I can net vs my current job will determine what I can find in my price range for were I wanna live. I'm not living in a rambling shack of an apt surrounded by noisey, rude, unclean and just plain non carring tenants, forget it. I will spend more to living a nicer, safer, secure and maintained townhouse complex. My dads petrolume company VP and CPA lived in Portland for many years and knows ALOT of people and businesses as well as my brother in law who runs a therapy clinic who's IT company is also based in portland, so I very well may secure a good job from word of mouth vs going through the agony of online application and resume work for weeks on end with going door to door with businesses via online so to speak.

In all, I remain optomistic despite the grim the reality. Why? Because im that tired of my current area and very ready to move onto bigger and better things in my life nearing 32 and I still feel Portland and the surrounding area is it and thats all there is too it. I'm tired of not having enough woman in my age group, i'm tired of living in a college based town, im tired of not having conventions and gathers for gaming and geeky people like me, im tired of not having more places to go and explore, im tired of the Montana attitude, im tired of my random Montana weather, i'm tired of being stuck in the same old small hometown were little changes for my benefit.

Do you get the idea yet that im just tired of living here?
 
Old 06-09-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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I too work in IT. Your skills are a dime a dozen, but you're over qualified for working at Stream, ACS/Xerox. You'll be able to find short term contracts, but expect to be out of work for at least a year.

In addition recruiters and HR people know this and are taking advantage. Typical Help Desk positions are looking for a 4 year degree, 4 years of experience programming, 4 years Desk top work, 4 years of server administration. Oh, and the pay is $10/hour, with 50 hour weeks expected. (no overtime though.) Even then the positions are still getting 50+ resumes.

The best way to get IT jobs in PDX is to network as hard as you can. The Employment Department has a few IT specific Networking groups, and there are a ton of user groups around.

Come with some Ruby, Java or IOS programming skills and you'll be picked up quickly, even if you're not that good.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but while it seems there are a ton of IT jobs, between outsourcing and the lay offs from two years ago, there is still a plethora of highly qualified IT people in the area.
 
Old 06-09-2012, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Heights OH
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I too work in IT. Your skills are a dime a dozen, but you're over qualified for working at Stream, ACS/Xerox. You'll be able to find short term contracts, but expect to be out of work for at least a year.

In addition recruiters and HR people know this and are taking advantage. Typical Help Desk positions are looking for a 4 year degree, 4 years of experience programming, 4 years Desk top work, 4 years of server administration. Oh, and the pay is $10/hour, with 50 hour weeks expected. (no overtime though.) Even then the positions are still getting 50+ resumes.

The best way to get IT jobs in PDX is to network as hard as you can. The Employment Department has a few IT specific Networking groups, and there are a ton of user groups around.

Come with some Ruby, Java or IOS programming skills and you'll be picked up quickly, even if you're not that good.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but while it seems there are a ton of IT jobs, between outsourcing and the lay offs from two years ago, there is still a plethora of highly qualified IT people in the area.
Being overqualified for a job is kind of de rigueur in Portland. But a job is a job and when someone first moves here, it's probably best to take whatever they can get and then move on as time goes by through networking. But that takes a little time.
 
Old 06-09-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Leaving Montana for good...
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Come with some Ruby, Java or IOS programming skills and you'll be picked up quickly, even if you're not that good.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but while it seems there are a ton of IT jobs, between outsourcing and the lay offs from two years ago, there is still a plethora of highly qualified IT people in the area.

Unfortuantely, programming really isn't my thing. I know some basic Cisco for my current job but beyond that, i'd rather drink drano then do code or database management.
 
Old 06-09-2012, 05:58 PM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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Being overqualified for a job is kind of de rigueur in Portland. But a job is a job and when someone first moves here, it's probably best to take whatever they can get and then move on as time goes by through networking. But that takes a little time.
The problem is that in the IT industry, if you're over qualified for the job, your resume typically doesn't even hit the manager's desk to take a look at. A lot of us ended up dumbing down our resumes quite a bit when applying for those jobs.

Between bad pay for bad/long hours (like 24/7 oncall pager,) abuses in the way of non-IT people thinking a complex project should be easy, and the normal want of most IT people to advance their skills and move on to more responsibility, IT people tend to have a high turnover. Managers are looking for people in it for the long haul, IT people are typically looking to get the skills, get the job down pat and move on - hopefully within the same company, but frequently it'll be somewhere else because of a more pay and a better perceived working environment.
 
Old 06-09-2012, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Leaving Montana for good...
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The problem is that in the IT industry, if you're over qualified for the job, your resume typically doesn't even hit the manager's desk to take a look at. A lot of us ended up dumbing down our resumes quite a bit when applying for those jobs.

Between bad pay for bad/long hours (like 24/7 oncall pager,) abuses in the way of non-IT people thinking a complex project should be easy, and the normal want of most IT people to advance their skills and move on to more responsibility, IT people tend to have a high turnover. Managers are looking for people in it for the long haul, IT people are typically looking to get the skills, get the job down pat and move on - hopefully within the same company, but frequently it'll be somewhere else because of a more pay and a better perceived working environment.

Its stories and bitter truth like this that makes me wanna leave this industry entirely and go do something else funner, even if it pays less. If I could work for the Xbox support or Xbox live division in Microsoft, I'd be one happy camper.
 
Old 06-09-2012, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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I too work in IT. Your skills are a dime a dozen, but you're over qualified for working at Stream, ACS/Xerox. You'll be able to find short term contracts, but expect to be out of work for at least a year.

In addition recruiters and HR people know this and are taking advantage. Typical Help Desk positions are looking for a 4 year degree, 4 years of experience programming, 4 years Desk top work, 4 years of server administration. Oh, and the pay is $10/hour, with 50 hour weeks expected. (no overtime though.) Even then the positions are still getting 50+ resumes.

The best way to get IT jobs in PDX is to network as hard as you can. The Employment Department has a few IT specific Networking groups, and there are a ton of user groups around.

Come with some Ruby, Java or IOS programming skills and you'll be picked up quickly, even if you're not that good.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but while it seems there are a ton of IT jobs, between outsourcing and the lay offs from two years ago, there is still a plethora of highly qualified IT people in the area.
That is just what I was thinking. In order to nail down a really good job in IT you have to walk on water and glow in the dark. Plus, your skills become obsolete with dismaying speed.

One IT area I have seen activly recruiting is manufacturing control systems or embedded systems software, which does require programming but also can involve a lot of manufacturing process troubleshooting.
 
Old 06-09-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Heights OH
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Wow! I'm getting an education here. And I thought the insurance industry was cutthroat.
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