any good men in portland ? (Beaverton, Beaver: crime, unemployment, wedding)

[oldtintype]

Originally Posted by robertpolyglot

AMEN! Right you are! I about fell out of my chair at the Janis Joplin comment.

It's amazing that some, not all, of these women think that they can ignore their grooming and overall appearance, thinking that the well-educated professional man would focus only on their inner soul. Spare me.

BTW, you said Janis Joplin. I tend to replace that with Carol(e) King.

Did you ever think that maybe these woman have no interest in meeting the professional man? Just a thought. I doubt they're clueless.

[robertpolyglot]

Originally Posted by oldtintype

Did you ever think that maybe these woman have no interest in meeting the professional man? Just a thought. I doubt they're clueless.

You're right. Most are realistic. However, there is a minority that thinks that everybody should be open to them and that something is wrong with the other person if they are not. It's not that common, but it exists.

[robertpolyglot]

Originally Posted by Tesaje

There are "prudish" men as well as women and they would not be happy with a libertine woman but could be quite happy with a fellow "prude." It really does take all kinds.

You only need one good one. The trick is in finding that one at the right time.

Libertines and prudes are extremes or endpoints. Somewhere in between is better. I was responding to a quote that described how one partner (I hate that term, it's clinical and business-like) could be frustrated with the other.

[SeattlitefromNC]

Originally Posted by janie1167

where are all the atractive successful single men hanging out.................i love it here, but i want to know where the good guys are hiding. i am a very attractive female 36 looking? i love it here..............its beautiful!

Going back to the OP:

What do you like to do? The Pacific NW is interesting in that most of the couples I know met while taking up a hobby. Do you like to sky-dive? Do you mountain-climb? Bike?

I worked in the outdoor clothing industry for a while and I can tell you that there are many guys who are into the outdoors. I highly recommend getting into a sport such as skiing or snowboarding ... lots of cute guys there! Also, rock-climbing classes are full of yummy men!

You don't have to do something that you don't like, though. Just pick any hobby, keep doing it, and stay happy. You will attract someone soon enough, when you least expect it.

[karlsch]

Here is your chance. Today, Feb. 29, is Sadie Hawkins Day...........[IMod cut image]

[Venusian_Artist]

Someone might have covered this already, but I only read about half the thread. I know a lot of GOOD guys, no seriously. Good guys, that are single, treat women with respect, and don't have excess baggage.

Problem: they don't want to be married (ever, or again, as the case may be.) Why? Marriage bestows no rights on men, only obligations. The legal ramifications of marriage and divorce are debilitating to men, as the system extracts from us to give to women/Mothers.

Now, to be fair, not every guy I know is consciously aware of this. They only know that they "don't want to get their A$$ kicked in a relationship again." It's too expensive, in every sense of the word. The search and acquisition costs are too high, for your wallet and self-esteem. A lot of men have opted to get out of "the game" permanently, and have never looked back. It's sad to see people give up in their late 20's/early 30's, but I'm afraid it's happening with more frequency nowadays. Your mileage may vary...

[PDXJen]

Originally Posted by Venusian_Artist

Someone might have covered this already, but I only read about half the thread. I know a lot of GOOD guys, no seriously. Good guys, that are single, treat women with respect, and don't have excess baggage.

Problem: they don't want to be married (ever, or again, as the case may be.) Why? Marriage bestows no rights on men, only obligations. The legal ramifications of marriage and divorce are debilitating to men, as the system extracts from us to give to women/Mothers.

Now, to be fair, not every guy I know is consciously aware of this. They only know that they "don't want to get their A$$ kicked in a relationship again." It's too expensive, in every sense of the word. The search and acquisition costs are too high, for your wallet and self-esteem. A lot of men have opted to get out of "the game" permanently, and have never looked back. It's sad to see people give up in their late 20's/early 30's, but I'm afraid it's happening with more frequency nowadays. Your mileage may vary...

It sounds like all those "good guys" you know suffer from arrested development. The whole divorce is gonna cost me too much money excuse is just that, an excuse to not make a commitment. Why how could these "good guys" watch porn, and drink beer and watch sports all weekend, and play video games with those "obligations" called a wife and kids around.
Let's face it if any of these "good guys" want to treat a woman with real respect he wouldn't be dragging his feet to the alter. A real man isn't afraid of marriage and fathering children. What we have here in Western society is a bunch of boys who never want to grow up. Is it any wonder the birthrate has plummeted below replacement levels. I'm glad our ancestors didn't have commitmentphobia, otherwise none of us would be here.

[GB1]

Originally Posted by PDXJen

A real man isn't afraid of marriage and fathering children. What we have here in Western society is a bunch of boys who never want to grow up. Is it any wonder the birthrate has plummeted below replacement levels.

You know, if a man popped off with a phrase like "A real woman isn't afraid of mothering children," he'd be considered a wee bit of a pig. And rightly so.

I'm not afraid of having kids, but have never had the desire. Ever. And through responsible birth control practices, I haven't done it. Ever.

"Growing up" doesn't equal getting married or having children today, if it ever did; and thank goodness for that, because women are the ones who really suffer when that's the only option.

[hymalaia]

Originally Posted by PDXJen

It sounds like all those "good guys" you know suffer from arrested development. The whole divorce is gonna cost me too much money excuse is just that, an excuse to not make a commitment. Why how could these "good guys" watch porn, and drink beer and watch sports all weekend, and play video games with those "obligations" called a wife and kids around.
Let's face it if any of these "good guys" want to treat a woman with real respect he wouldn't be dragging his feet to the alter. A real man isn't afraid of marriage and fathering children. What we have here in Western society is a bunch of boys who never want to grow up. Is it any wonder the birthrate has plummeted below replacement levels. I'm glad our ancestors didn't have commitmentphobia, otherwise none of us would be here.

She won't but "jen" should probably meet up with some men who have been screwed over in divorce court. They are hardly the "porn watching, beer drinking, sit on ones *****es all day" described here, unless they have given up. Many of them were hard working and often that is why their marriages failed. He wasn't around to meet her emotional "needs".

It's easy for women like "Jen" to tell guys how to be a "real man" and sign our financial future away to a woman. After all, she has nothing to lose from such an act, and everything to gain. Us "not real" men don't have such a luxury. Not to mention, I'm sure she'd love me telling her what she needs to do to be a "real" woman.

[Venusian_Artist]

Originally Posted by PDXJen

It sounds like all those "good guys" you know suffer from arrested development. The whole divorce is gonna cost me too much money excuse is just that, an excuse to not make a commitment. Why how could these "good guys" watch porn, and drink beer and watch sports all weekend, and play video games with those "obligations" called a wife and kids around.
Let's face it if any of these "good guys" want to treat a woman with real respect he wouldn't be dragging his feet to the alter. A real man isn't afraid of marriage and fathering children. What we have here in Western society is a bunch of boys who never want to grow up. Is it any wonder the birthrate has plummeted below replacement levels. I'm glad our ancestors didn't have commitmentphobia, otherwise none of us would be here.

Wow, another score for you, Jen. You ripped me in the other thread, and here you are again, blasting men that if they don't do what you want and what benefits you as a species, then we're somehow intrinsicly deficient.

I don't drink myself, rarely play video games, and porn's not my thing. And yet, I don't see anything wrong or immature about any of those things. If many men choose those acitivites over the likes of you, is it any wonder given your tone and conduct, as demonstrated in your posts?

What I'd really like to know, is why are you so angry at us? What happened?