Is it really true that Oregonians hate Californians? (Portland: mortgage, buyers)
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I agree, I am from NJ and just moved here from So Cal. I cant stand it down there anymore. I always loved the Portland area and that's why we moved here.
People are people no matter where you go end up. We are in our early 30's and live in the West Hills Estates and we are the youngest by 25 years. Is it my fault that I got off my but and worked hard in order to obtain a million dollar home for my family no matter where I am from? The people that look at us weird because we have CA plates on nice cars can kiss my A$$. They only have two choices; keep on being envious and mean, or look to themselves and try to find a drive and a reason to get more out of life. I would rather have people like us move up here than the opposite end of the spectrum.
Either way, I like it here and I am here to stay. You are all my friends as far as I am concerned.
Unfortunately, your post exhibits one of the things that Portlanders tend not to like about Californians (I don't say hate). You assume that everyone is envious of you. Which says, you think who you are and what you have is so much better than what others have. It's not. You can have your big house in the hills. I don't want one. Who needs that much space? You can have your nice cars. I don't want one. It's just something to transport me from here to there. The time and energy spent on keeping up expensive possessions just isn't worth it.
See, I think "getting more out of life" doesn't mean that you have more expensive things. I think it means enjoying your life more, and the people in it. Not the things.
Really?? ANYone from Cali? JUST because they are from a certain place, before even getting to KNOW anything about them?? Does the IQ level in Oregon not rise above my shoe size? Im verry disappointed to read this. So if you hate ALL people of a certain color, you'd be called a RACIST. How is it justified to do the same thing based on where someone is FROM? And what do you call a person who HATES where someone is from? A STATE-ist maybe?
I agree, I am from NJ and just moved here from So Cal. I cant stand it down there anymore. I always loved the Portland area and that's why we moved here.
People are people no matter where you go end up. We are in our early 30's and live in the West Hills Estates and we are the youngest by 25 years. Is it my fault that I got off my but and worked hard in order to obtain a million dollar home for my family no matter where I am from? The people that look at us weird because we have CA plates on nice cars can kiss my A$$. They only have two choices; keep on being envious and mean, or look to themselves and try to find a drive and a reason to get more out of life. I would rather have people like us move up here than the opposite end of the spectrum.
Either way, I like it here and I am here to stay. You are all my friends as far as I am concerned.
Maybe they are looking at you wierd because if you LIVE in the West Hills Estates your nice cars should have OREGON plates
....your story doesn't jive, buddy, and it is VERY evident you are not a native Californian. If you can live in a million dollar community in Oregon...you could have just as easily be oceanside in Cali...and we all know that....or are you one of those that raped the rest of us in the whole real estate fiasco and left with a golden handshake? Money....naw...those that got it don't boast. Sure, you may have a decent house and car...but there's definitely an entirely different reason that your neighbors are looking at you strange, buddy.
....your story doesn't jive, buddy, and it is VERY evident you are not a native Californian. If you can live in a million dollar community in Oregon...you could have just as easily be oceanside in Cali...and we all know that....or are you one of those that raped the rest of us in the whole real estate fiasco and left with a golden handshake? Money....naw...those that got it don't? boast. Sure, you may have a decent house and car...but there's definitely an entirely different reason that your neighbors are looking at you strange, buddy.
Clearly you've never lived in SoCal because they absolutely do boast about material items. Its about what you make, how much you have, what its worth and if you're in the industry. Bentley, Rolls Royce, Bugatti, you name it are the norm there while if you see one of those here you know a Trailblazer is driving it. A million bucks here to a Portlander is chump change down there. Its a hard and fast lifestyle, not one worth raising a family in. When we first moved back from LA I used to get all sorts of rude comments, hand gestures and looks because of my Cal plates.
Unfortunately, your post exhibits one of the things that Portlanders tend not to like about Californians (I don't say hate). You assume that everyone is envious of you. Which says, you think who you are and what you have is so much better than what others have. It's not. You can have your big house in the hills. I don't want one. Who needs that much space? You can have your nice cars. I don't want one. It's just something to transport me from here to there. The time and energy spent on keeping up expensive possessions just isn't worth it.
See, I think "getting more out of life" doesn't mean that you have more expensive things. I think it means enjoying your life more, and the people in it. Not the things.
I just heard that a 35 year old co-worked died suddenly over the weekend. Your words ring especially true today and couldn't have come at a better time...
I am an Oregon native and by native I mean BORN AND RAISED AND NEVER MOVED. I live in Portland and I will tell you why we dislike Californians.
First of all, Portland is a tiny city okay and is not big enough for half of California to move up here.....as well as people from everywhere else.
The condos that are being built, THE PEARL DISTRICT and SW WATERFRONT are gross to look at. What will happen when we run out of room just because people feel the need to move here because it is cheaper to live here AND because it is the cool place to live and so green and sustainable.
Well, you are not making it any greener by moving up here okay! All your doing, is making our beautiful city into a city full of ugly condos, so thanks for that.
Secondly, the rent on houses and the prices on houses/places to live has skyrocketed in the past years. It is insane and it is annoying. It is making it hard on people that have lived here forever to get a home in a great neighborhood and with good schools to boot.
Third, um hey there, this is Oregon and hopefully you haven't lived under rock for the past whatever, but it is without a doubt a challenge to find a job in this state. Portland especially. So, go ahead and move here and take our jobs as well. Take our jobs and our houses and call us all hippies because we can't find work, or afford to live in the in the nice part of town anymore.
Fourth. Um, hipsters and YUPPIES. Yes, I know we have a lot of amazing/ hip bands and musicians living in pdx, but do you really need to move here because of that? Honestly...I never had an issue w/ the hipsters in Portland until that last like 5 years. It has gotten bad. This is a hipster haven and the haircuts are ridiculous. Now on to the Californian yuppie. The ones that usually reside in the pearl and a lot now moving to my area of town...which is S.E. (Hawthorne area). Um, nice BMW/Lexus/Mercedes, brand new Subaru(to fit in no doubt). All with Cali plates, but an I heart Oregon sticker of course. This makes me roll my eyes so far back into my head. Yea, we LOVE Oregon! However, you might want to change your plates before adding the sticker, r it makes you look like a douchebag.
Yuppies act better than everyone else, don't have that laid back Portland vibe that they moved here for and continue to make our city look terrible with their sweater, suites, vests and labradoodles. And please, if your going to pull up to my place of work in your nice car and with your expensive clothes, then BE SURE TO TIP ME ASS!
Seriously, we really do dislike a lot of Californians. Not all of course, but most because they are changing our city, taking our jobs, homes, not tipping and acting like they are better because a lot of the older ones do have a lot of money. Well, money used to not matter here and to me it still doesn't. What matters is being polite, caring about your city and its NATIVES and not bringing your L.A. attitude with you.
And if I hear one more person that has moved here complain about the weather, then I am going to take their umbrella (Native Oregonians, or Mossbacks don't use umbrellas) and shove it up their ass.
I do agree that the easiest way to spot a newcomer is that little Oregon sticker with a green heart in the middle of it. And the "Keep Portland Weird" sticker. And the bumber sticker from some obscure Farmer's Market. And the Obama sticker. Like someone once said on this forum, you go to have the "right" bumper stickers to live in Portland!
And don't forget the Labradoodle sticking it's head out of the Subaru window!
But all the things you are describing are happening EVERYWHERE.
Go read the Montana or Idaho forums!
You are not going to change things, so quit obsessing.
Besides, if Californians are leaving California in droves the way people say, California will be empty soon and we won't have to worry about it.
This thread is four years old, you'd think that by now we would be overrun with Cali's and it wouldn't matter, or Californians have some kind of guilt complex about moving up here, or .............?
Last edited by pdxMIKEpdx; 08-31-2011 at 09:44 AM..
...This thread is four years old, you'd think that by now we would be overrun with Cali's and it wouldn't matter, or Californians have some kind of guilt complex about moving up here, or .............?
This thread seems to be kept alive by post after post of hackneyed stereotyping of Californians by provincial Oregonians confirming the OP’s question.
I've heard some not-so-nice stories circulating. As in, cars getting keyed and worse. This all just sounds so silly to me that I can't even fathom it.
Discuss.
I'm probably taking this to a deeper level than most people can handle, but the problem is not so much the influx of Californians as the innate problem with any state that's grossly overpopulated. The reason California is so crowded (Mexican immigration aside) is that its weather and geographic variety can't be beat by any other U.S. state. Pressure on Oregon from California is the result of critical mass being reached down here. Unresolvable battles over water are a major symptom. You can only build so many canals. Then there's the traffic...
California residents (including me) have exceeded the physical carrying capacity of the state, and just like any stressed animal, we seek out places with less pressure. But then those places become pressurized and the process repeats, until there's nowhere left to run. America once seemed almost limitless but it never was.
Portland appeals to white Californians because it lacks much of the ghetto mentality that's infiltrated central and southern CA. The dreary weather also seems to keep a lot of those people away from Portland, which adds to the special appeal. But even white folk don't like too many gray days, which has kept Portland from being totally overrun. That's my working theory.
But an even larger problem is that the whole U.S. and world economy has been predicated on endless economic growth, which requires endless population growth to maintain endless consumption and GNP growth. Listen to any candidate running for a major office and you'll hear "grow, grow, grow the economy!" with little analysis of the end game. The sheeple mentality is that a region must constantly attract more people to "create jobs," yet the people are merely feeding off each other, which is a parasitic form of growth, not actual progress. It's not quite a Ponzi scheme but has many of the same outcomes.
The world is finite, so growth must end, but nobody demands a deadline for zero-growth as long as they can skim off the growth pot (plenty of financial schemes do exactly that). People end up shuffling around, chasing better jobs and lifestyles, but few question the non-sustainability of the whole mess.
Today's stubborn recession is probably happening because world oil production has finally peaked, and the days of endless growth via cheap energy are ending. It's an unprecedented situation of the physical world restricting the financial world and human ambitions. Nobody alive today has faced the end of growth as we know it. But most people take the intellectually lazy route and blame everything on migration from other states, and of course, the government. I don't think Bush was totally at fault, and Obama can do little to mitigate Peak Oil.
I am suggesting that people should consider the larger causes instead of picking on internal "outsiders" in what's supposed to be the United States.
Last edited by ca_north; 08-31-2011 at 04:07 PM..
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To the poster from California....
, and it is VERY evident you are not a native Californian
. If you can live in a million dollar community in Oregon...you could have just as easily be oceanside in Cali...and we all know that....or are you one of those that raped the rest of us in the whole real estate fiasco and left with a golden handshake? Money....naw...those that got it don't boast. Sure, you may have a decent house and car...but there's definitely an entirely different reason that your neighbors are looking at you strange, buddy.
