Poor Oregonians (Portland, Klamath Falls, Florence: attorneys, houses, neighborhoods)

[bliss61]

Since most Oregonians believe they are victimized by Californians, I think it's important to see how it works both ways.

Couple sues Sunwest - Business - Oregonlive.com

And you know how several people are going to answer this:

"How do you know Sunwest isn't owned by Californians"

Right.

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Since I'm familiar with the business that Sunwest is in, about 90% of them are started and operated by Californians.

Remember, there are more native Californians in Oregon than native Oregonians. Even if he does live here, how long?

Trust me, after Californians reuined that sate, they spread out to Californicate other states.

[bliss61]

Define "Californicate"

Did that mean bringing an economy to Oregon that previously did not have one?

[EnricoV]

Originally Posted by bliss61

Define "Californicate"

Did that mean bringing an economy to Oregon that previously did not have one?

Your posts just seem to be more and more snide. What do you honestly think you're going to accomplish with them?

[bliss61]

I am asking you a serious question and I want a serious answer..

What do you mean by Californicate?

California gave me everything; sunshine, professional successful and interesting people. I find "Californicate" insulting and offensive.

Is there a word as Oregionicate? Personally, I think it has a ring to it.

California also gave Portland and Oregonians a lot...so you had to listen to some "outside opinions" to get the money. Oh, well.

Remember that I am a native Portlander and all I want in this forum is honesty for the people who could be making a life change (possibly for the worse, if they don't get all the information they deserve to have.

Wish we were on the same page about that.

[EnricoV]

Try here for a definition. But remember, it's slang. And so is a lot of the language on that website.

And while I'm directing you to the definition, I didn't use the term. It borders on name-calling, and I find name-calling really childish. Kind of like digging up every negative article that you can find regarding Oregon and come in here claiming the sky is falling. Look at the Sacramento papers, and you'll find identical articles. The economy sucks everywhere. Besides, you're pretty much the only one in here who constantly brings up California. Why?

You claim you want only honesty for people, but can you comprehend that what your truth you is, is not the truth for everyone else? There really is no such thing as "truth." Whatever you think of as truth is pretty much all just opinion, or majority agreeance. You seem to want only your opinion accepted. Until you can get beyond that, no one is ever likely to be on the same page as you.

Oh, and you so ardently plead that you were asking a serious question. But if you were, why throw in a snide comment? It's hard for anyone to take posts like that seriously.

[Barleysoda]

Originally Posted by bliss61

I find "Californicate" insulting and offensive.

get over it. does anyone care how insulting and offensive it is to anyone who has lived here their whole life and watched their neighborhoods be taken over by these people? does anyone care that they are also the ones who brought these big city "tudes" here with them that everyone now has to deal with? no, no one cares. just like no one cares your insulted by the term.

[Rickers]

Originally Posted by BLAZER PROPHET

Remember, there are more native Californians in Oregon than native Oregonians.

Can you convince me that this portion of your post is true ? Saying that on here sure as heck doesn't make it true. I need to see a link to a more reliable source if you want anyone, (or at least me) to believe that.

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Originally Posted by bliss61

Define "Californicate"

Did that mean bringing an economy to Oregon that previously did not have one?

The brought a litigious attitude, whacky (as in mentally unstable) political attitude, moraless idiocy, a belief that money was not everything- it was the only thing mentality that has mutated and made many states far worse off.

One small example. When the mad rush of Californians began, a large group settled in Florence. Within weeks and the ensuing couple of years the Californians file over 1,000 lawsuits against the city where before the average was about 3-5 per year. They were idiocy in nature (don't like the ways trees look, demanding new sewer lines for their house only... there were so many the city hadn't the money to even answer them and ended up in default. They were also suing neigbors by the hundreds (your tree blocks my view, the color of your house isn't in tune with the environment...) and as a result many people (Oregonians) moved away. They had to. I've read accounts of these things in newspapers in Oregon, Washington, Utah, Montana... it's the Californication of the west.

Another typical example. In Portland (about 15 years ago) a family moved in from LA to a nice neighborhood. A tree in a neighbor's yard partially blocked their vierw of Mt Hood. So, one day, in broad daylight, the Californian father and his son calmly walked across the street and drove a poison stake into the tree. When the tree owners called te police, the Californians lied and stated they knerw nothing about it. Then, the Californians sued their good neighbors for not taking care of a tree that blocked their view. That one was reported in the Oregonian and is a fairly typical story of Californians.

Now you know why so many people in the west dislike Californians.

Of course, these stories represent the vast minority of those who moved from California, but the 25% or so of them who (did) and do these things make all of them look very bad.

Another direct link to Californians was that when the mass exodus started, there was a huge difference in housing prices. Californians waltzed in and started offering twice to three times the asking prices for houses and housing prices went up so dramatically that many locals were driven out of the house buying market (us and many friends as well). Attorneys representing Californians were, literally, walking the streets knocking on people's door offering to buy their houses. That happened to two couple we knew. ONe of them had bought a nice little house one year prior for under $20,000 (the 1980's) and while we were there an atorney representing a "young California couple" made a cold call and offered $60,000 for their house. They took it. I can remember going to look at a houe the first day on the market and there were 3 attorneys representing Californian people bidding on the house and they were way above the aking price. We moved to Klamath Falls as it was clear what was happening to the state and wanted no part of it.

The California influence made a 100% transformation in this state as well as others. One can argue if it's a good or bad one, but entire ways of life were changed forever.

[bliss61]

As did my life change in San Diego when people from around the country (including Oregon) had limited economic oppoortunities and came to California. Where do you think Californians came from?

I lived in San Diego for 35 years and my city is ruined forever from people moving in and causing all kinds of problems.

One year, a group would come in from New York, the next year, some from Colorado, then from Oregon. The most beautiful city in the world (San Diego) is gone forever so I guess I can't blame you for being upset.

My issue is that some Oregonian either listed or sold his property at a certain inflated price and now wants to be a victim.
Whether there were attorneys bidding or whatever...ultimately, the native also signed the contract (agreed to the deal). If he wasn't greedy to begin with, how could this happen? Maybe he saw an opportunity to better his life. That's ok, isn't it?...it's the victim role (after the fact) that annoys me.

Maybe there is a soulfulness about Oregonians and they knew what they were doing was wrong and can't clean it up, now. They always intended to be about the simple ways but the simple way can be about suffering...stress from not having enough money and all the social problems that poverty causes, that I saw while growing up in Portland, even though I came from prominent families.

And...not over selling Portland. As much as I love California, I would not encourage anyone to come here right now. Sacramento is a mess, California is a mess.

A better way to spend my time is with the state and national efforts to reform immigration laws. Illegal immigration is now a much bigger issue; the desperate acts of third people next door. You know, if they don't find jobs in California, they will be headed your way.