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Old 04-26-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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^^The same could be said for my son... but the extended family reveals a different story: my husband's mother and sister, and my brother are all diagnosed on the spectrum.
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Old 04-26-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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Just as a few of you can say every child you know with autism seems to have a parent on the spectrum, I can tell you that every child I know with autism does not have a parent on the spectrum. One that quickly comes to mind: mother is a very successful educator, worked in the Peace Corp, outgoing, volunteers to help other families with special needs children, has multiple degrees and ran for our state Congress. Father, outgoing, professor. Neither are even close to being on the spectrum. Another--my cousin's child--I've known my cousin her entire life. Definitely no signs of autism. Father showed none either. neither I could continue, but I know quite a few families with autistic children.
You might not be able to pick it up in the parent. My best friends son is autistic. Her husband is a brilliant scientist...wait for it.... with Autism.
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Old 04-27-2017, 06:56 AM
 
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I firmly believe that Autism is genetic. Every child I know with Autism has a parent on the spectrum. The parents are usually higher functioning and it is very hidden. Maybe people should look at their medical history before deciding to procreate.
If it was genetic, the incidence would not rise, it would stay constant. The percent of people born would remain the same throughout history.

Because incidence is rising, it points to an outside factor that was not present 40 years ago. And the scientists predict it WILL CONTINUE INCREASING. If it were genetic, and scientists know it's genetic than they are wrong in their predictions that it will increase. Because it could not.

Why this basic method of interpreting statistics is IGNORED by ALL SCIENTISTS is beyond me.

So something is wrong here with what we, the public, are being told. Probably to stop all inquiry into any possible causes. I mean if it's genetic, there's no preventing it.

If it is caused by ultrasound, vaccines (which is by no means settled despite what the media claims, medication, insert other environmental factor, well, then Lucy you've got some 'splaining to do and a LOT of money to pay off from whatever manufactured product/service is causing it.

So they continue to say it's genetic and classify it in the DSM instead of clinical, testable diagnosis with cause so everyone can look the other way, nothing gets solved and our future generations are completely damaged.
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Old 04-27-2017, 08:56 PM
 
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If it was genetic, the incidence would not rise, it would stay constant. The percent of people born would remain the same throughout history.

Because incidence is rising, it points to an outside factor that was not present 40 years ago. And the scientists predict it WILL CONTINUE INCREASING. If it were genetic, and scientists know it's genetic than they are wrong in their predictions that it will increase. Because it could not.

Why this basic method of interpreting statistics is IGNORED by ALL SCIENTISTS is beyond me.

So something is wrong here with what we, the public, are being told. Probably to stop all inquiry into any possible causes. I mean if it's genetic, there's no preventing it.

If it is caused by ultrasound, vaccines (which is by no means settled despite what the media claims, medication, insert other environmental factor, well, then Lucy you've got some 'splaining to do and a LOT of money to pay off from whatever manufactured product/service is causing it.

So they continue to say it's genetic and classify it in the DSM instead of clinical, testable diagnosis with cause so everyone can look the other way, nothing gets solved and our future generations are completely damaged.
There are several reasons why diagnoses are increasing and none of them have to do with ultrasounds or vaccines. The vaccine question *is* settled. There is NO evidence that autism is caused by vaccines. Read the real science here: Autism and Vaccines - Autism Science Foundation

The fact is that autism only began to be diagnosed in 1943. Before that it was not a syndrome of its own. The diagnoses of intellectual disabilities have gone down.

Autism rates are up, but is it really on the rise? | Science | AAAS

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The number of U.S. school children placed in special education programs due to autism more than tripled from 2000 to 2010, to nearly 420,000. But a new study argues much of that increase likely came as educators swapped one diagnosis for another. The overall percentage of kids diagnosed with a collection of brain development problems that includes autism remained unchanged, suggesting that children who used to be labeled with conditions such as “intellectual disability” were in fact autistic.
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Much of the increase they have seen since 2000 comes from growing awareness of autism and more sensitive screening tools. For example, he says, there are now more autism cases with milder symptoms, such as normal or above-normal intellectual ability. At the same time, the number of children identified with autism by experts in the community—such as the school special education programs examined by the Penn State scientists—has come closer to matching the CDC’s more comprehensive screening methods.
There have always been autistic people, but it is hard to go back into historical records and dx them. The evidence that autism is genetic is also clear.

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.o...o-autism-gene/

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Recent research in the Journal of the American Medical Association Psychiatry found that the genetic heritability of autism spectrum disorder is high compared with other factors. In fact, the researchers found that 56 percent – 95 percent of the effect is estimated to be genetic, according to a study of 258 twins suggests. (Genetic influences on autism are estimated to be between 74-98 percent according to research by the Medical Research Council in the UK.)
There are environmental effects, but it starts with the genes.

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The genetic underpinnings of autism were further underscored by a just released study that found that child prodigies share some of the same genetic variations with people who have autism. The Human Heredity study involved five child prodigies and their families—not a large sampling. These shared genetic markers occur on chromosome 1, according to Joanne Ruthsatz, co-author of the study and assistant professor of psychology at Ohio State’s Mansfield campus, who worked with a team from Ohio State University and Nationwide Children’s Hospital in Columbus.
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Old 04-28-2017, 10:51 PM
 
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Vaccines as a cause for autism is not settled: No study shows the CUMULATIVE effect of giving a child multiple vaccines in a short span of time. Not a one. Anyone who truly believes 100% that vaccines do not cause autism is brainwashed by the media, not someone who understands objective science.

And yes, thank you for pointing out that the environment is what triggers the genes.

So what ARE the ENVIRONMENTAL factors that have been cropping up more and more that "turn on" the autistic gene?

And if there was diagnosis "swapping" that increased the numbers -- meaning that the numbers of kids has not changed -- why are there so many more educational resources directed to dealing with these kids? If it were a matter of simple name change, rather than an increase in kids that have needs, schools would not be busting at the seams trying to meet IEP every day.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:26 PM
 
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Vaccines as a cause for autism is not settled: No study shows the CUMULATIVE effect of giving a child multiple vaccines in a short span of time. Not a one. Anyone who truly believes 100% that vaccines do not cause autism is brainwashed by the media, not someone who understands objective science.

And yes, thank you for pointing out that the environment is what triggers the genes.

So what ARE the ENVIRONMENTAL factors that have been cropping up more and more that "turn on" the autistic gene?

And if there was diagnosis "swapping" that increased the numbers -- meaning that the numbers of kids has not changed -- why are there so many more educational resources directed to dealing with these kids? If it were a matter of simple name change, rather than an increase in kids that have needs, schools would not be busting at the seams trying to meet IEP every day.
Enormous amounts of time, effort, and money have been expended showing that vaccines do not cause autism. The evidence is now clear that they do not. This study invoved over 1.2 million subjects.

https://www.autismspeaks.org/science...nes-and-autism

• There was no relationship between vaccination and autism
• There was no relationship between vaccination and ASD [autism spectrum disorder]
• There was no relationship between [autism/ASD] and MMR
• There was no relationship between [autism/ASD] and thimerosal
• There was no relationship between [autism/ASD] and mercury

At this point, anyone who still believes vaccines cause autism is ignoring the science and has been brainwashed by anti-vaccine pseudoscience and propaganda.

Autism is clearly genetic. Without the genetics, there is nothing for the envronment to trigger. New genes associated with autism are being discovered almost on a daily basis. There is no "autistic gene". There are multiple genes which interplay with one another.

The increase in demand for services for children with autism is due to parents desire for help for them. In the past there were no IEPs, and many children were simply labeled "retarded" and often institutionalized. Not every child with an IEP has autism, either.
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Old 04-29-2017, 06:35 AM
 
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Enormous amounts of time, effort, and money have been expended showing that vaccines do not cause autism. The evidence is now clear that they do not. This study invoved over 1.2 million subjects.

https://www.autismspeaks.org/science...nes-and-autism

• There was no relationship between vaccination and autism
• There was no relationship between vaccination and ASD [autism spectrum disorder]
• There was no relationship between [autism/ASD] and MMR
• There was no relationship between [autism/ASD] and thimerosal
• There was no relationship between [autism/ASD] and mercury

At this point, anyone who still believes vaccines cause autism is ignoring the science and has been brainwashed by anti-vaccine pseudoscience and propaganda.

Autism is clearly genetic. Without the genetics, there is nothing for the envronment to trigger. New genes associated with autism are being discovered almost on a daily basis. There is no "autistic gene". There are multiple genes which interplay with one another.

The increase in demand for services for children with autism is due to parents desire for help for them. In the past there were no IEPs, and many children were simply labeled "retarded" and often institutionalized. Not every child with an IEP has autism, either.
To prove that vaccines are not a cause, every vaccine needs to to be studied by itself. Then it needs to be studied in conjunction with another vaccine. Then add in a third, fourth. Then study of all the vaccines together, because they are not just one vaccine, it is 40 to 60 shots, depending on the state the child lives in. Then look at the different schedules in each state and compare the schedules with the time of diagnosis of each autistic child. Compile data on how many vaccines a child has had and when autism was diagnosed. That type of CUMULATIVE study has never been done. Ever. And it won't ever be. Because it would scientific and thorough and show definitively if vaccines were a factor, as well as WHICH vaccines were more likely to be a cause.

And your statement regarding IEPs because parents "demand" them is ludicris. Autism is rising, continues to rise, and is PREDICTED to continue to rise.

This is not a thread about vaccines, it is a thread about ULTRASOUND. If you want to continue the vaccines are safe propaganda, start a new thread.
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Old 04-29-2017, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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To prove that vaccines are not a cause, every vaccine needs to to be studied by itself. Then it needs to be studied in conjunction with another vaccine. Then add in a third, fourth. Then study of all the vaccines together, because they are not just one vaccine, it is 40 to 60 shots, depending on the state the child lives in. Then look at the different schedules in each state and compare the schedules with the time of diagnosis of each autistic child. Compile data on how many vaccines a child has had and when autism was diagnosed. That type of CUMULATIVE study has never been done. Ever. And it won't ever be. Because it would scientific and thorough and show definitively if vaccines were a factor, as well as WHICH vaccines were more likely to be a cause.

And your statement regarding IEPs because parents "demand" them is ludicris. Autism is rising, continues to rise, and is PREDICTED to continue to rise.

This is not a thread about vaccines, it is a thread about ULTRASOUND. If you want to continue the vaccines are safe propaganda, start a new thread.
Errm, suzy_q2010 was responding to a post of yours about vaccines! If you don't want the thread to go off-topic, don't introduce off topic subjects. And here's an interesting article about this so-called "study" you desire:
The Vaccine Study You’ve Never Seen | Chad Hayes, MD
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Old 04-29-2017, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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To prove that vaccines are not a cause, every vaccine needs to to be studied by itself. Then it needs to be studied in conjunction with another vaccine. Then add in a third, fourth. Then study of all the vaccines together, because they are not just one vaccine, it is 40 to 60 shots, depending on the state the child lives in. Then look at the different schedules in each state and compare the schedules with the time of diagnosis of each autistic child. Compile data on how many vaccines a child has had and when autism was diagnosed. That type of CUMULATIVE study has never been done. Ever. And it won't ever be. Because it would scientific and thorough and show definitively if vaccines were a factor, as well as WHICH vaccines were more likely to be a cause.

And your statement regarding IEPs because parents "demand" them is ludicris. Autism is rising, continues to rise, and is PREDICTED to continue to rise.

This is not a thread about vaccines, it is a thread about ULTRASOUND. If you want to continue the vaccines are safe propaganda, start a new thread.
No, the methodology you propose is not necessary. Every vaccine is studied prior to licensure and continuously monitored afterwards. Vaccines given in combination are studied for safety and efficacy before they are licensed, too. The link I gave previously shows no association between autism and the entire vaccine schedule or the MMR alone.

Parents these days do demand IEPs. If you think otherwise, call your local school district. Read some of the threads in the Education forum here at C-D concerning IEPs.

No, autism incidence is not rising.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/aut...d-in-20-years/

"This latest study showing a stable autism prevalence between 1990 and 2010 is in line with a consilience of scientific evidence showing that autism is mostly genetic, has its onset prenatally, and that the apparent increase in prevalence is largely due to diagnostic substitution, increased surveillance, greater acceptance, and broadening of the diagnostic criteria."

As Kat noted, you are the one who introduced vaccines into the discussion. You just do not like seeing facts introduced which disprove your position on vaccines.
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Old 04-29-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Errm, suzy_q2010 was responding to a post of yours about vaccines! If you don't want the thread to go off-topic, don't introduce off topic subjects. And here's an interesting article about this so-called "study" you desire:
The Vaccine Study You’ve Never Seen | Chad Hayes, MD
Your link includes a link to a summary of studies showing no association between vaccines and autism.

https://www.healthychildren.org/Engl...-Evidence.aspx
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