Spirituality and Alternative Healing? (Prescott: lawyer, move, tuition)

[West2South]

Originally Posted by JillSimmons

I'm very sorry you had a bad experience with a Reiki practitioner. I am certified Reiki and certified as a past life regression practitioner and neither of these healing modalities are allowed to "diagnose" anyone.

A past life regression counsellor? Who provided you with that credential, and on what basis?

People who aren't willing to qualify as "healers" in any meaningful or verifiable way aren't often reliable about following the rules, let's face it.

Reiki is now offered in over 100 hospitals across the United States!

I'm not sure what that proves. There are McDonald's restaurants in hospitals too. Does that prove that they serve healthy food?

Any healing modality has amazing ethical practitioners and some who should choose another profession. Just as the western medical profession has great compassionate doctors and many, many who should choose another profession.

The difference is that "healing modalities" which involve examination, clinical experience, licensing, peer review, and regulation have accountability that carries some weight. All the rest are just people making claims, and again, mostly those are not the kind of people who should be trusted. Just because you label something a "healing modality" doesn't make it one.

As someone with 3 autoimmune diseases who has had 19 surgeries and been to over 25 M.D.'s I can tell you that out of the 25 doctors there were only about 9 that knew what they were doing. The other 16 should have chosen another path.

What does that prove about Reiki, except that there's no way to prove or disprove it's efficacy and that there are no controls over its use? If I serve you contaminated water, that doesn't make the Kool-Aid you're serving healthy, does it? Your statistics are misleading.

My first experience with a Reiki treatment was not that beneficial for me. I thank God though that I did not judge the entire healing modality on 1 person. When I found an amazing Reiki master and went through compassionate past life regression sessions, I am now thankfully off of all my medications, and trust me I was on MANY.

Good for you, but there is still no proof that Reiki accomplished anything. You believe it did, and now you're trying to make a career out of offering your beliefs as facts. Perhaps from your special place of wisdom you will forgive me, but I have no respect for that decision on your part.

With all due respect, I could really care less what the catholic church has to say about anything. When that "church" gains control of their pedophelia priests AND stops hoarding their immense wealth to begin healing and feeding others, then I may listen to their opinion on something.

If you had any real respect, you would separate your facts from your beliefs and not attempt to serve them up as being the same thing. You're just trying to kill the messenger here, and that's not a very ethical strategy. There are far more sources than the Catholic Church which dispute the effectiveness of Reiki.

With that being said, I hope you open your mind and your heart to realize that our bodies are radiant energy and we need traditional western medicine as well as alternative healing modalities!

Why do you hope that I would agree with you? Isn't that just a little bit arrogant of you? FYI, most of my working career has been in the field of alternative therapy. That's why I object to people who make false, misleading, and unprovable claims. For every undocumented claim, promise, or statement you make about your beliefs, there are countless documented and proved instances that can be cited to dispute them. The fact of the matter is that there is no proof that Reiki is anything but faith healing, and that's fine for those who seek faith healers. It's not fine though, for those who believe your unsubstantiated claims out of fear and desperation. It's wrong to mislead people.

Blessings to you!

I always wonder about people who offer blessings. Does that mean that you are in better with God than I am? Do I require you to intercede on my behalf in order for me to receive these alleged "blessings"?

I am visualizing you having a change of heart and career. That should work, right?

[West2South]

Originally Posted by smilinpretty

In hopes of survival for those who are in the hospital dying, doctors are asking the loved ones, that are in waiting room, to pray. Seems as though, doctors are encouraging prayer, as they have seen miracles happen.

It's funny how one minute licensed and credentialed doctors have no credibility with the faith healers of the world, but suddenly they are the source of all wisdom when they say something that supports the notion of miraculous faith healing.

Do you have an objective study to show in which a majority or significant number of physicians encourage prayer? I'd like to see that, if so.

I'd also like to know how you explain the failure of prayers to the countless people who suffer, die, and watch the same happen to their loved ones. If it's true that prayer has effect, why is it so selective? Why doesn't it always work? Are some sick and suffering infants more worthy than others, for example?

The fact of the matter is that any objective study about the effect of prayer on ill has shown no effect whatsoever, or in some cases the patients got worse! http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html Naturally, the churches and faith based groups can come up with some statistics to "prove" their point, but let's face it, if prayer worked, we wouldn't all be shelling out those huge insurance premiums every month, would we?

We also wouldn't need Reiki practitioners, or any other, for that matter.

IMO, prayer is wishful thinking, and the last ditch effort for the frightened and hopeless. Whether clinging to superstitions in times of sorrow or fear is a good thing is a matter for better minds than my own, but my personal preference is to acknowledge actuality so that I'm prepared for the future in more substantial ways than wishing and hoping.

What astounds me about the aforementioned study is that despite the findings, the quoted prayer advocate advocates the notion that the study should be ignored, since people of faith "know better". Therein lies the problem between those who choose to believe and those who don't, once again, that confusion between a belief and a provable, demonstrable fact.

[EIUUW]

There is a great site discussing Prayer, God and all sorts of Ideas called Why Won't God Heal Amputees? Good to see someone who thinks clearly and openly.

Are there any kind of Freethought groups in the area you are aware of? I know the UU church is in Prescott and I might attend if I move there.

[dreamboatannie953]

Originally Posted by West2South

A past life regression counsellor? Who provided you with that credential, and on what basis?

People who aren't willing to qualify as "healers" in any meaningful or verifiable way aren't often reliable about following the rules, let's face it.



I'm not sure what that proves. There are McDonald's restaurants in hospitals too. Does that prove that they serve healthy food?



The difference is that "healing modalities" which involve examination, clinical experience, licensing, peer review, and regulation have accountability that carries some weight. All the rest are just people making claims, and again, mostly those are not the kind of people who should be trusted. Just because you label something a "healing modality" doesn't make it one.



What does that prove about Reiki, except that there's no way to prove or disprove it's efficacy and that there are no controls over its use? If I serve you contaminated water, that doesn't make the Kool-Aid you're serving healthy, does it? Your statistics are misleading.



Good for you, but there is still no proof that Reiki accomplished anything. You believe it did, and now you're trying to make a career out of offering your beliefs as facts. Perhaps from your special place of wisdom you will forgive me, but I have no respect for that decision on your part.



If you had any real respect, you would separate your facts from your beliefs and not attempt to serve them up as being the same thing. You're just trying to kill the messenger here, and that's not a very ethical strategy. There are far more sources than the Catholic Church which dispute the effectiveness of Reiki.



Why do you hope that I would agree with you? Isn't that just a little bit arrogant of you? FYI, most of my working career has been in the field of alternative therapy. That's why I object to people who make false, misleading, and unprovable claims. For every undocumented claim, promise, or statement you make about your beliefs, there are countless documented and proved instances that can be cited to dispute them. The fact of the matter is that there is no proof that Reiki is anything but faith healing, and that's fine for those who seek faith healers. It's not fine though, for those who believe your unsubstantiated claims out of fear and desperation. It's wrong to mislead people.




I always wonder about people who offer blessings. Does that mean that you are in better with God than I am? Do I require you to intercede on my behalf in order for me to receive these alleged "blessings"?

I am visualizing you having a change of heart and career. That should work, right?

Wow aren't you a Master Debater! A real Debbie Downer. I'd say God Bless ya but since you say you are your own God than I'll just say Bless Yourself.

[PrescottSince02]

Prescott is so-so as far as alternative spirituality and so forth. There are certainly many people into this realm, but not a ton. It's not going to be a place where you feel like there are TONS of things happening on that level (it's not like Boulder or some place like that), but it's also not going to be a place where there isn't anything happening regarding these types of thing either.

[dreamboatannie953]

Originally Posted by PrescottSince02

Prescott is so-so as far as alternative spirituality and so forth. There are certainly many people into this realm, but not a ton. It's not going to be a place where you feel like there are TONS of things happening on that level (it's not like Boulder or some place like that), but it's also not going to be a place where there isn't anything happening regarding these types of thing either.

Isn't Sedona the main spot in the USA for spiritual healing and such because of the Vortexes? You mention Boulder but not Sedona? I am wondering why?

[PrescottSince02]

I could've said Sedona, but when I think of alternative healing Boulder comes to mind first. There are a number of schools for healing-related subjects there. With Sedona, I think more of psychics and intuitives. But those are both very 'alternative' places.

[West2South]

Originally Posted by dreamboatannie953

Wow aren't you a Master Debater! A real Debbie Downer. I'd say God Bless ya but since you say you are your own God than I'll just say Bless Yourself.

I'm sorry to know that you think reality is a downer.

Where did you learn to roll your eyes at people who don't think the same way you do, from God? I learned that it's rude from Miss Manners, who has a far higher success rate on the camaraderie inducing scale than any religion ever managed, and she doesn't require that anyone worship her. A good deal all around, I'd say!

And yes, I am actually a great debater. That's because I'm rational.

[West2South]

Originally Posted by EIUUW

There is a great site discussing Prayer, God and all sorts of Ideas called Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

Great site, thanks for the link!

Good to see someone who thinks clearly and openly.

Thanks. I understand that I'm part of a growing movement! It's a good thing to ask questions about these things, far better than just accepting nonsense blindly because some mindless believer might call us nasty names and roll their eyes at us if we don't.

Are there any kind of Freethought groups in the area you are aware of? I know the UU church is in Prescott and I might attend if I move there.

I don't know about Freethought groups here, sorry. I do know that the last place I'd look for one is in a church of any description, though.

[dreamboatannie953]

Originally Posted by West2South

I'm sorry to know that you think reality is a downer.

Where did you learn to roll your eyes at people who don't think the same way you do, from God? I learned that it's rude from Miss Manners, who has a far higher success rate on the camaraderie inducing scale than any religion ever managed, and she doesn't require that anyone worship her. A good deal all around, I'd say!

And yes, I am actually a great debater. That's because I'm rational.

I wasn't rolling my eyes because you don't think the same way as me. To each his or her own when it comes to reality and beliefs. I rolled my eyes because you take yourself and your view of the world so seriously. I was having a little fun with you because I just couldn't resist how much I knew it would get to your huge ego. Just to annoy you more I will say, "I am going to pray for your soul tonight". LOL "NOTTTT", why would I care about you even if I thought you had a soul?