Prescott Valley Arena In Trouble (2009, new home, gated)

[smilinpretty]

Thanks Brian. It makes sense in what you say. Our water usuage betwn two people is 3000 to 4000 gallonns per month. I never paid attention before that. Our water company is private so they really charge allot of money for water compared to Prescott water company. Our average water bill is $50 a month. If you don't use any water at all, the charge is $36 mo.

[checkthecodes]

OK am I missing something here, I know the area is short on recycling water back in to ground. I thought the main reason of shipping water from up above Paulden to PV was to build more homes out by the fairgrounds... I thought there was a land swap with a group and the state trust land out that way. Myself, if we are now short of water and having to "NOW" go shopping for water I feel the area needs a "stop building plan" I know I have friends who live out in Dewey and the wells are dry... They thought they would aways have water... Fill me in... Thanks

[BriansPerspective]

Originally Posted by checkthecodes

OK am I missing something here, I know the area is short on recycling water back in to ground. I thought the main reason of shipping water from up above Paulden to PV was to build more homes out by the fairgrounds... I thought there was a land swap with a group and the state trust land out that way. Myself, if we are now short of water and having to "NOW" go shopping for water I feel the area needs a "stop building plan" I know I have friends who live out in Dewey and the wells are dry... They thought they would aways have water... Fill me in... Thanks

Not sure what the "main" reason is, but Prescott and Prescot Valley were deemed to be outiside of "safe yield" in the year 1999. Prescott was given the legal right to import water to reach safe yield, because Prescott would not be able to take part in the Central Arizona Project, which is the aqueduct from the the Colorado river. I do not know of any land swap deals. There are areas in Dewey that have poor or non-producing wells. I also know of people on wells in Dewey that have huge expanses of lawn that they water with well water - obviously not caring about the effect on their neighbors.

[DellNec]

Per the PRESCOTT COURIER,
Allstate has just filed a federal lawsuit against the failed PV Convention center naming the city of Prescott, Fain Signature and others in the lawsuit.

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The lawsuit alleges the defendants misrepresented and failed to disclose material information that purportedly indicated the center could not generate revenues to make construction of the arena feasible. The 5,000-seat center, cost $35 million to build in 2006.

As many say, this is a case for the FBI's Organized crime unit, under the RICO Act. With many Realtors, Real Estate Agencies, Town politicians, land owners, etc., all needing to be investigated.

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by BriansPerspective

So, back to my original question... How can we reach safe yield without importing water?

Hey Brian, you are aware that the Chino Pipeline has a "secondary" effect, right?

I am sure you are aware that a certain land barren stands to make hundreds of millions of $$$, if and when it does get built. They don't like to talk about that "secondary" effect but it's there.

Just wanted to be sure that you are aware of that, which I know, you are aware.

[BriansPerspective]

Originally Posted by DellNec

Hey Brian, you are aware that the Chino Pipeline has a "secondary" effect, right?

I am sure you are aware that a certain land barren stands to make hundreds of millions of $$$, if and when it does get built. They don't like to talk about that "secondary" effect but it's there.

Just wanted to be sure that you are aware of that, which I know, you are aware.

The last time I checked, we live in a free-market economy where people that create jobs and produce wealth benefit. How many jobs do you think this "land baron" is directly or indirectly responsible for creating in the past 40 years since Prescott Valley went from a barren piece of dirt to a thriving city? How many people does this "land baron" directly and indirectly employ?

I'm still looking for an answer to my original question: How do we reach safe-yield without importing water?

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by BriansPerspective

The last time I checked, we live in a free-market economy where people that create jobs and produce wealth benefit.

Yes we do live in a free market economy but there are laws which are in place to prevent corruption and the such. Stick around, you will see this unfold, first with the lawsuit that is pending with the stadium and more will come.

Originally Posted by BriansPerspective

How many jobs do you think this "land baron" is directly or indirectly responsible for creating in the past 40 years since Prescott Valley went from a barren piece of dirt to a thriving city? How many people does this "land baron" directly and indirectly employ?

I am not going to get into that debate. The MODS will not allow it and it will get ugly because there is another side to this coin. A very ugly side.

Originally Posted by BriansPerspective

I'm still looking for an answer to my original question: How do we reach safe-yield without importing water?

I did not cause the water problem, it was caused by greed, corruption, and uncontrolled and unregulated growth. Some of which, a Prescott area builder was standing in the Yavapai Courthouse the other day in an orange jumpsuit, facing felony charges. She got caught, that's why. While others got away with it because they had more money and more power. The only reason she did not get away with it was that her money ran out and she couldn't grease their palms anymore.

Look, I know where you stand, being a realtor and all. The Chino Pipeline water issue could have been avoided if common sense and controlled building were implemented. They weren't. Greed, corruption and politics is what took over. Let them trench and build this $400+ million dollar pipeline. I hope it costs them $600 million. Which it probably will once they get done with the lawsuits and the host of other problems. Then you can pay $250 for your 3,000 gallons of water.

[LinaJo76]

I totally agree. It was a bad idea. And the tickets to the events there are way too expensive for a small town like this. Most people in this town don't earn much money here and can't afford to go to the events that the arena gives. It's a shame to even started it.

[PaulieM]

Originally Posted by BriansPerspective

Regarding the underground river... The Big Chino aquifer contains 15 MILLION acre-feet of water. P and PV want to withdraw 8,500 acre-feet per year (which they are legally entitled to). That is 0.05% of the water in the aquifer. By contrast, the base-flow of the Verde River, which originates from the Big Chino aquifer, is 150,000 acre-feet per year or 1% of the water in the aquifer.

Your gross over simplification of the issue is irresponsible. You present the Big Chino aquifer as if it were a big water tank. Did you open a lid and stick it to come up with the fifteen million number? Please cite your source.
To anyone such as the OP who is doing their due diligence in order to make an informed decision go to those with no horse in the race. Your tax dollars helped fund fine work by our USGS scientists. The Big Chino is one of the most researched aquifers in the country.
Go to Search USGS and search Big Chino. Very interesting reading.

[autism360]

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