Prescott Valley Arena In Trouble (Phoenix: felony, lawyers, homes)

[DellNec]

As we have known for some time, the Tim's Toyota Center/Fain Signature Center has made no money on the arena and it has been losing $500,000 a year on the arena. The arena was a dumb idea from the start.

Now, people are calling for a Federal investigation into the widespread corruption of Prescott Valley and Tim's Toyota Center. So the town of Prescott Valley is hiring a team of lawyers to fight the possible onslaught of lawsuits coming.

Things are heating up here. This will be interesting to watch unfold. Small town politics at its best!


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[checkthecodes]

Pretty sad, they spent all that money to build an arena and can't afford to install an electric sign on the corner to tell what events are playing there. Instead they let the weeds grow 18" to 24" and tie banners to cattle fence post that you can't read going 35 mph. Heck you can't read the sign when your in the 1st or 2nd lane with a truck next to you because the signs are to low... What an eyesore.Great marketing FSG....

[wa3pnt]

Just a few comments on the things mentioned.

They call it an "Arena" which implies a venue for primarily equine events. It might be more relevent to call it a "Multipurpose Event Center" or something to that effect to lure a larger variety of events.

An Electronic Billboard, even a monochrome (single color) board of any size will cost in the vacinity of $200,000 or more. That would be the bottom line by the time the installation and control (programming) equipment is added. It could run even higher than that if for example it is a two sided board. That means that the "pouring good money after bad" decision comes into play.

There is a well known, readily available, Rodeo Grounds in Prescott which rents for considerably less than the venue in Prescott Valley. With the economy in the state that it is in, promoters will definitely go to the lowest bidder with respect to facility charges. That is definitely not in the Arena's favor, and the physical distance between the two facilities is not large enough to affect the spectator draw.

George
Rodeo Scoreboard & Sound

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by checkthecodes

Pretty sad, they spent all that money to build an arena and can't afford to install an electric sign on the corner to tell what events are playing there. Instead they let the weeds grow 18" to 24" and tie banners to cattle fence post that you can't read going 35 mph. Heck you can't read the sign when your in the 1st or 2nd lane with a truck next to you because the signs are to low... What an eyesore.Great marketing FSG....

This is what happens when you have more money than you have brains. Remember, the people behind this are not great business people. Look, if you inherited thousands of acres of cattle ranch land from your grandfather and then later a decent sized town started to grow in that area, you would make millions on that land.

As seen by the recent felony charges being filed by the Yavapai County States Attorney against the former builder in the area (Townsend), this area prides itself in back door deals.

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Just wait until the Chino pipeline project stuff gets going. Things are bad now, wait until they start ripping up the back of peoples yards, as they make a huge swallow in the earth and drag a pipe from CV all the way to Prescott. It's already a fact that this project will cause the Verde River to dry up, killing thousands of wild animals and the habitat. This stands to be one of the greatest ecological disasters in Arizona history.

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by wa3pnt

They call it an "Arena" which implies a venue for primarily equine events. It might be more relevent to call it a "Multipurpose Event Center" or something to that effect to lure a larger variety of events.

The main issue is that it is a 5,000 seat "area", in the middle of nowhere. Any mainstream group/entertainer needs an arena that will seat 30,000+ in order to make it worth their time and money. The only place that such a thing exists is the Phoenix Cardinals Stadium and other such high capacity arenas located in Phoenix.

[checkthecodes]

It might have cost $200,000 for a full graphics sign like the one by Chili's, but for around $20,000 you can install a basic one color like the one at Bradshaw Mountain High School, cost is depending if you laptop program it at the sign or a 1/2 mile away... Who wants to watch a bunch of 60 year old has beens from years ago for $35 + a ticket, you can see the same groups at the indian casinos and a lot cheaper... What has turned off all the people around here is not only the ticket prices but all the extra crazy service charges. Instant turn off.... Sure don't see the PBR here anymore...

[BriansPerspective]

Originally Posted by DellNec

Just wait until the Chino pipeline project stuff gets going. Things are bad now, wait until they start ripping up the back of peoples yards, as they make a huge swallow in the earth and drag a pipe from CV all the way to Prescott. It's already a fact that this project will cause the Verde River to dry up, killing thousands of wild animals and the habitat. This stands to be one of the greatest ecological disasters in Arizona history.

Moderator cut: no personal attacks the gas pipeline came through the area? They dug and burried a pipeline all the way from I-40 down through Phoenix. I never heard a single complaint about that pipeline.

Regarding the electronic sign for the "arena", which I believe is actually called "The Event Center" or "Tim's Toyota Center", there is an electronic sign on Hwy 69 that displays upcoming events, among other advertising.

I support the effort to bring the event center to PV, which will in turn bring tourism, businesses, and other economic stimulants to the area. Prescott Valley is actively promoting itself and actively working to better the economy and bring more jobs in. The town government and business leaders should be supported and thanked instead of being cut down at every turn.

[DellNec]

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The above is an article from the Prescott Courier. This issue is a heated issue with thousands of problems, it is only getting worse and it is not going away. In the end, the taxpayers in the area are the ones who will get hammered with increasing taxes and higher water rates.

Getting 8,000 gallons of water per household, per month, might cost you $75 - $100+ per month.

[BriansPerspective]

Originally Posted by DellNec

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The above is an article from the Prescott Courier. This issue is a heated issue with thousands of problems, it is only getting worse and it is not going away. In the end, the taxpayers in the area are the ones who will get hammered with increasing taxes and higher water rates.

Getting 8,000 gallons of water per household, per month, might cost you $75 - $100+ per month.

Of course it is a heated issue. Of course there are many sides. The no-growth camp claims biological devistation and unbridled, detrimental growth. The pro-growth camp claims no biological impact and well-planned growth. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

That said, the cities are legally obligated to meet safe-yield and they are currently out of safe-yield, using more water than is being recharged. Given that conservation has pretty much run its course (our water use per household is a small percentage of Phoenix usage), there are only two other options: 1) import water, 2) force people to leave. Am I missing an alternative option?

What's wrong with paying $100 for using 8,000 gallons per month? According to the Courier, the average residential household uses 3,000 gallons per month in PV and 4,000 gallons per month in Prescott. If we want to conserve water, then the quickest way to do it is through the pocketbook. Charge $20-$30 per month for reasonable usage and make the price skyrocket for higher usage. Local Water Usage

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by BriansPerspective

What's wrong with paying $100 for using 8,000 gallons per month? According to the Courier, the average residential household uses 3,000 gallons per month in PV and 4,000 gallons per month in Prescott. If we want to conserve water, then the quickest way to do it is through the pocketbook. Charge $20-$30 per month for reasonable usage and make the price skyrocket for higher usage. Local Water Usage

Per the EPA, the avg. household uses 12,000 gallons of water per month:
Indoor Water Use in the United States | WaterSense | US EPA

Here is WHY I believe the Courier is off on their stats. They are getting the 3,000 gallons based on PER PERSON. Also, they are factoring in homes that are vacant and averaging them to get the 3,000 gallons per month. Their estimates are way off.

A family of four living in a single family home will never see 3,000 gallons of water per month. More like 12,000 gallons per month.

A single person living in a home, would probably see 3,000 gallons per month of usage. In reality, 3,000 gallons of water per month is not that much water when you factor in showers, toilets, sinks, landscape and the such.

So when a family of four is paying $100+ dollars a month in water fees, that is a lot of money. If this pipeline goes over budget, which it will, those fees could easily increase to $150 a month for 12,000 gallons of water usage per month. $150 a month for water is expensive.