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Old 08-03-2010, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Extreme Southeast Philly, NJ
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You obviously don't understand NFL locker room dynamics if you don't think a single player can screw things up for the whole team.
You obviously didn't understand my argument:

I didn't say it couldn't happen. I know it can. But I'm saying the issue of a single player bringing down an entire team runs deeper than that single player. There are bigger issues and that team wouldn't succeed anyway. When T.O. brought down Dallas, they had weak leadership. Romo was soft. Wade Phillips was soft. And Jerry Jones basically enabled T.O. There wasn't a strong enough leader in Philly either to keep him quiet. Anyone think Jeff Garcia was a strong leader in the locker room in San Fransisco? Before Buffalo, people suggested T.O. could work with a team like Baltimore because Ray Lewis wouldn't let him get off like he does. Look at Randy Moss - went to New England with questions about his locker room behavior and look how it turned out when all those veteran leaders were on the team. Since the veteran presences left, Moss has gone a little sideways again. Ochocinco does what he does in Cincinnati because there isn't anyone on the team to tell him otherwise. T.O. could have easily brought down Buffalo if he wanted to: changing qb's, changing coaches, etc (weak, unstable leadership). But he knew he had a chance to go to a better situation if he kept straight for a year.

See the point? If one guy can bring down an entire organization, that organization wasn't strong to begin with. The leadership was weak with or without the one player. No group (insert whatever business company, sports team, etc) will succeed without strong leadership first.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:28 AM
 
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You obviously didn't understand my argument:

I didn't say it couldn't happen. I know it can. But I'm saying the issue of a single player bringing down an entire team runs deeper than that single player. There are bigger issues and that team wouldn't succeed anyway. When T.O. brought down Dallas, they had weak leadership. Romo was soft. Wade Phillips was soft. And Jerry Jones basically enabled T.O. There wasn't a strong enough leader in Philly either to keep him quiet. Anyone think Jeff Garcia was a strong leader in the locker room in San Fransisco? Before Buffalo, people suggested T.O. could work with a team like Baltimore because Ray Lewis wouldn't let him get off like he does. Look at Randy Moss - went to New England with questions about his locker room behavior and look how it turned out when all those veteran leaders were on the team. Since the veteran presences left, Moss has gone a little sideways again. Ochocinco does what he does in Cincinnati because there isn't anyone on the team to tell him otherwise. T.O. could have easily brought down Buffalo if he wanted to: changing qb's, changing coaches, etc (weak, unstable leadership). But he knew he had a chance to go to a better situation if he kept straight for a year.

See the point? If one guy can bring down an entire organization, that organization wasn't strong to begin with. The leadership was weak with or without the one player. No group (insert whatever business company, sports team, etc) will succeed without strong leadership first.

Thats a very good point RyDizzle, and T.O. could of brought down buffalo, and sense he didn't, you have to think that he is a little more mature than people think he is. He stayed quiet almost all of last season, the only time I heard his name was when he scored a touchdown or had 35 yards receiving in a game.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Extreme Southeast Philly, NJ
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Thats a very good point RyDizzle, and T.O. could of brought down buffalo, and sense he didn't, you have to think that he is a little more mature than people think he is. He stayed quiet almost all of last season, the only time I heard his name was when he scored a touchdown or had 35 yards receiving in a game.
Thanks for understanding my perspective
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Old 08-05-2010, 09:41 AM
 
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Ahhh c'mon ...post the pic! I need something to rev me up for this season after our shady off season!
I'll have to look. It's around somewhere.
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