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What are your thoughts on these drafts? Am I too harsh on some players? Not harsh enough on others? Which draft stands out as the best? Which one the worst?
I think I like the 2004 draft. And that is regardless of how you would label the late Sean Taylor. Eli is a solid starting QB with a super bowl ring. Fitzgerald just as good a receiver as any other on the list. And Rivers probably the best player on this list outside of Peyton.
As for worst draft, I got to go with 2002. You just can't miss at the top with a QB, and it happened twice in this draft with Carr and Harington. Mike Williams was also a colossal bust. And it doesn't help that the only super star among the three busts was Peppers. Jammer while not a bust, is far from a star.
Ricky Williams? How is he a bust? Just because Ditka gave up far too many picks to draft him doesn't mean he hasn't had a good career. He's rushed for 1,000 yards in 5 different seasons, has 64 career TDs and is still playing!
LaVar Arrington. It's hard to call a 3-time pro bowler an all out bust. I don't understand this one either. The fact that he never really lit up the stat sheets was more of a product of the system he played in, in my opinion. For 5-6 seasons, though, he had a positive effect on the defense and consistently had 90+ tackles and a couple of sacks per season.
Robert Gallery It took Gallery a long time to develop, but he was Oakland's best offensive lineman last year on a team that rolled people up rushing the ball. Sure, he didn't become the staple LT that people thought, but he was a terrific guard last season and is still playing. I don't think that qualifies.
Cedric Benson Like Gallery, it took him a long time to develop but he just rushed for 1,000 yards in two straight seasons in Cincinnati and is seen as one of the better RBs in the league currently. Don't think that qualifies him.
A.J. Hawk In three of his five seasons, he's had over 100+ tackles. Last year, he had 111 tackles, 3 INTs, a sack, and started on a Super Bowl Champion defense. Calling him an 'all-out bust' makes it seem like he's Andy Katzenmoyer. You're really, really hard to please. lol
Ricky Williams? How is he a bust? Just because Ditka gave up far too many picks to draft him doesn't mean he hasn't had a good career. He's rushed for 1,000 yards in 5 different seasons, has 64 career TDs and is still playing!
My thinking here is that he was a an "all-out bust" to the Saints. Definitely not any fault of his own. But he is partially to blame for leaving Miami hanging for a couple seasons when he went on sabbatical. He did have two or three really good years before that though. I guess you could call him more of a tweener.
LaVar Arrington. It's hard to call a 3-time pro bowler an all out bust.
I always felt the pro-bowls were rather undeserved and more based on name recognition. Maybe it was the system as you say I don't know. His career seemed rather short too for a LB.
Robert Gallery It took Gallery a long time to develop, but he was Oakland's best offensive lineman last year on a team that rolled people up rushing the ball. Sure, he didn't become the staple LT that people thought, but he was a terrific guard last season and is still playing. I don't think that qualifies.
I still think he is a bust. As you said, he took a long time to develop, and once he did, he only became a decent guard or maybe terrific, i don't know. But surely not what the Raiders had in mind when they drafted him #2 overall.
Cedric Benson Like Gallery, it took him a long time to develop but he just rushed for 1,000 yards in two straight seasons in Cincinnati and is seen as one of the better RBs in the league currently. Don't think that qualifies him.
Similar too Ricky Williams, he didn't do a whole lot for his original team. I thought he was really good for the Bengals in '09 but struggled quite a bit last year, as did his team as a whole. We'll see what he does this year.
A.J. Hawk In three of his five seasons, he's had over 100+ tackles. Last year, he had 111 tackles, 3 INTs, a sack, and started on a Super Bowl Champion defense. Calling him an 'all-out bust' makes it seem like he's Andy Katzenmoyer. You're really, really hard to please. lol
Now that I think about it, I probably got this one wrong. I think he is certainly a bust in the sense that you would sure like to have your top five pick, especially a MLB be in the mold of a Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis. But certainly not an all-out bust.
I dont agree with Ricky Williams being a bust either. If he had not come back to the league after all the drug issues, than yes. But he has been a quality back.
Your list is really good... Here is my only feedback or food for thought. Im not arguing either way. I honestly don't care enough about any of these players but football talk is slow around this time....
Vince Young - He's 30-17 as a starter.
Gaines Adams - Didn't play long enough. And knowing he had an enlarged heart and ultimately died from it is a pretty good excuse anyhow.
Reggie Bush - Really don't have a reason as to why is NOT a bust but I don't think you have one for why he IS either. You dont have Ronnie Brown as a bust who has played one year longer and only hast 1300 more total yards and 5 more TD's. So one good season from Bush and he and Ronnie Brown have the same numbers... #ImJustSaying
Cedric Benson - This one is obvious... Cadillac Williams - never averaged less than 3.5 yds per carry. Lavar Arrington - Another obvious one... Ricky Williams - The most obvious one...
Cadillac Williams - never averaged less than 3.5 yds per carry.
While not all out busts, I would label both of them busts. Their career numbers are shockingly similar. Both are trying to live off of basically one good year. Cadillac's was ages ago and Benson's was two years ago. I have also always thought an average under 4.0 for a RB is very poor. An average under 3.5 is practically unheard of.
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Lavar Arrington - Another obvious one...
Yeah, not an all out bust but a marginal bust. He only had 3 good years with the redskins. Certainly not an Aaron Maybin or Vernon Gholston though.
Reggie Bush - Really don't have a reason as to why is NOT a bust but I don't think you have one for why he IS either. You dont have Ronnie Brown as a bust who has played one year longer and only hast 1300 more total yards and 5 more TD's. So one good season from Bush and he and Ronnie Brown have the same numbers... #ImJustSaying
For the amount of hype that surrounded Bush, especially living in Saints territory, he is a bust. I resent him like Clevelanders resent LBJ.
I don't consider Bush a bust as a player. As a RB, yes.
But he is more versatile than just a RB. He is a very good pass catcher and excellent in open space. He helped the Saints win a lombardi and that says enough about his contributions. He's one of those players that didnt live up to the hype, but still is an important part of the team and someone that opposing defenses definitely have to gameplan for.
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