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Old 10-20-2011, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Props to quarterbacks like Aikman, Drew Bledsoe who started on lousy teams and went on to win Super Bowls. Also kudos to Marino, Elway for carrying their teams farther than they would have gone without them at quarterback.

Bledsoe won a Super Bowl as Tom Brady's backup.. he lost the Super Bowl to the Packers as a Starter..

Aikman was on a lousy team that won 3 of 4 Super Bowls. I wish the Cowboys were that lousy now?!
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Old 10-20-2011, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Only if you dont know what you are talking about. Anyone that uses Super Bowl rings to judge how good a QB is is a moron. A team wins a Super Bowl, not a single player. You can be the best QB that ever played the game and never have experienced a playoff win much less a SB win. How you rate how great a player is is how they played their individual position, not how much success or lack of success their team experienced.

A lot of people consider Tony G the best TE of all-time and not only has he never won a playoff game but he has only played in like 4 playoff games his whole career.
I agree that Super Bowl rings is over-rated when judging QBs but you can't use the greatest TE in comparison. A Great TE can help the team win a game or two. I great QB can take that same team all the way to the SUPER BOWL.. there is really no comparison.
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Old 10-20-2011, 08:27 AM
 
Location: troposphere
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Bledsoe won a Super Bowl as Tom Brady's backup.. he lost the Super Bowl to the Packers as a Starter..

Aikman was on a lousy team that won 3 of 4 Super Bowls. I wish the Cowboys were that lousy now?!
I think you're missing the point. Drew Bledsoe helped build the Patriots into a Super Bowl contender, along with the deep pockets of the Kraft family. Brady is a good quarterback no doubt, but he was sorta born into the NFL with a silver spoon in his mouth. Bledsoe is the one who took all the sacks behind a losuy offensive line all those years while building them into a Super Bowl contender. How can a "lousy" team win three out of four Super Bowl's? Are you confusing Aikman for Jim Kelly and the Bills?
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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That was my question? who can a lousy team win Super Bowls... which Aikman did and one poster said he was on a lousy team.. which i may have misinterpreted..
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: The "Rock"
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If rings are not important then that probably means you don't value winning very much... as they correlate. And that's is perfectly ok.

But it's funny that when people make the Andy Dalton & Cam Newton comparison... the folks that think Dalton is better... it is because his teams wins.

Same can be said for Flacco vs Ryan. People give Flacco the edge because he has won some playoff games and Ryan hasn't.

Just an interesting perspectives when you are looking at guys just starting out.

It's also used to ridicule a guy... ie Romo and Vick.

Final point... if wins are not important in determining the best QB, then why is it in their stat line?
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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If rings are not important then that probably means you don't value winning very much... as they correlate. And that's is perfectly ok.
That's not true at all. It just means a person has some common sense. This is a team game and it takes a team to win no matter how good your QB is. A QB needs 52 other guys to win games.


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Final point... if wins are not important in determining the best QB, then why is it in their stat line?
I have always thought that was foolish but I guess you could correlate a QB to a pitcher in baseball. With that said, I dont know that wins for a QB is an official stats even though it is tracked by some people.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: The "Rock"
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That's not true at all. It just means a person has some common sense. This is a team game and it takes a team to win no matter how good your QB is. A QB needs 52 other guys to win games.
Relax man... I said it was ok if you think that way. It doesnt mean people who have different opinions (cause it is an opinion) dont have common sense. There are tons of people who are much smarter than you who think wins are important and maybe the most important.

Jim Harbaugh says it the ONLY stat that matters...
Are wins the only worthy QB stat? (http://www.csncalifornia.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Are-wins-the-only-worthy-QB-stat?blockID=565700 - broken link)

Bill Parcells said wins are important because stats must come in the context of winning games.
Bill Parcells’ four rules for drafting a quarterback | Smart Football

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Old 10-20-2011, 04:10 PM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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Montana
Marino
Bradshaw
Peyton
Favre

Fouts, Warner, Staubach, Kelly, Moon, are a few others that come to mind. Another that people may give me crap for but for what he did in CFL and stint in NFL - Doug Flutie. That little dude coule play is a$$ off.
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Old 10-20-2011, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Two Rivers, Wisconsin
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Ahhh, Doug Flutie, I always liked him! Hard to make a list of five too many great ones to choose! Bart Starr would be on my list!
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Old 10-20-2011, 06:39 PM
 
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Starr, Unitas, Jurgensen, Graham, Montana.

You can't just look at lifetime totals. 12 to 14 to 16 game seasons.
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