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View Poll Results: Bigger goat yesterday? Ravens FG kicker or 49ers punt returner?
FG kicker 11 30.56%
Punt returner 25 69.44%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-24-2012, 03:10 AM
 
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Totally disagree! This is not 4th grade.
People are placed in high risk positions because they can handle it and can do the job. For me personally, I have a high stress job and I am the point man for several functions. If something fails then I am to blame, hence my pay and responsibility. Everyone has their own level of responsibility for a reason. If he can't handle the heat, i.e. punt returns in playoff games, then get out of the kitchen. If its too much for the kid then he should maybe be a punt returner for the IFL or get a job with less stress. Sorry, fair is fair, there are thousands of people anxious for his spot. Man up and do the job or get out of the way!
Please. Don't lecture me about pressure and responsiblity. Seriously. LOL!
I am not saying he didn't eff up. But the buck does not stop with him like it does at me with my job or maybe at your job (I don't know what it is you do). Too many people are involved in the success and failure of that game to pin anything on one dude who is indeed responsible for his one piece of the pie but not for the entire pie.
I still voted for him as the bigger goat vs the kicker.
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Old 01-24-2012, 05:18 AM
 
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Please. Don't lecture me about pressure and responsiblity. Seriously. LOL!
I must have touched a chord.

He is the source of the failure. He is the punt returner, basically a guy on an island, so he knows that if he fumbles that the opposing team will score. Yes, other position players did error but not to that level. Davis cost the team 15 yards, NOT a touchdown. Williams fumble directly enabled the Giants to score a touchdown. I don't understand why you insist to minimize his tragic errors. All of his errors are DIRECTLY connected to points. Without those specific points, the 49ers would be in the Super Bowl.
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Old 01-24-2012, 06:04 AM
 
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For 15+ years, it has been really really quiet for this huge 49ers fan. I was begging for San Fran return to dominance, so I am extremely disappointed in the loss. And, going into the game, I could have and would have accepted a loss, but not like this, with one player making foolish mistakes. His actions alone contributed to 10 points for the Gaints. The game should not have went into OT and ended in a loss.

I realize that Williams made a big mistake, but the Niner fans act like they dominated the game. Let's face it, if not for two huge coverage blunders by the Giants, the Niner's would not have scored any points.

Here are a few more to bring the Niner fans back to reality:

-1 for 13 in third down conversions
-lopsided penalties in their favor
-Smith's fumble that Osi flubbed.
-the great strip by J. Williams.

Yes, the Niner's have a stong D, but an average O. The Giants were the better team and won the game. Let's acknowledge and move on.
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Old 01-24-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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I must have touched a chord.

He is the source of the failure. He is the punt returner, basically a guy on an island, so he knows that if he fumbles that the opposing team will score. Yes, other position players did error but not to that level. Davis cost the team 15 yards, NOT a touchdown. Williams fumble directly enabled the Giants to score a touchdown. I don't understand why you insist to minimize his tragic errors. All of his errors are DIRECTLY connected to points. Without those specific points, the 49ers would be in the Super Bowl.
Unless he walked the ball into the wrong endzone, he was not 'directly' responsible for anything.

How many plays between the fumble and the final field goal? Plays the defense could have stopped, thwarted, etc?

What do you have against this guy?
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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Default Lopsided penalties

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I realize that Williams made a big mistake, but the Niner fans act like they dominated the game. Let's face it, if not for two huge coverage blunders by the Giants, the Niner's would not have scored any points.

Here are a few more to bring the Niner fans back to reality:

-1 for 13 in third down conversions
-lopsided penalties in their favor
-Smith's fumble that Osi flubbed.
-the great strip by J. Williams.

Yes, the Niner's have a stong D, but an average O. The Giants were the better team and won the game. Let's acknowledge and move on.
Lopsided penalties, what are you talking about? I saw nothing outrageous. What was outrageous, was that no fumble call? Forward progress was called way too early, obvious fumble.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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Default here we go!

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Unless he walked the ball into the wrong endzone, he was not 'directly' responsible for anything.

How many plays between the fumble and the final field goal? Plays the defense could have stopped, thwarted, etc?

What do you have against this guy?
He directly contributed to the large shift in momentum which lead to points. Handing the ball to the opponent on the 20, sparks a rally 99% of the time which means he directly contributed to those points. No defense in the league could have stopped that. Now, your saying the defense failed?

Players are paid to play at a supreme level, especially considering soaring ticket prices, the players better live upto expectations. With those expenses, fans have the right to complain. Now, your expecting fans to sit on their hands while players play poorly, NOT on my dime!!

Hold on, your one of those guys who buys uncaged eggs??? Be honest.
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Old 01-24-2012, 08:45 PM
 
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Unless he walked the ball into the wrong endzone, he was not 'directly' responsible for anything.

How many plays between the fumble and the final field goal? Plays the defense could have stopped, thwarted, etc?

What do you have against this guy?
They were in FG range IMMEDIATELY. Even if they didn't gain a single yard it would have been a short FG.
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:00 PM
 
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They were in FG range IMMEDIATELY. Even if they didn't gain a single yard it would have been a short FG.
Field goals are missed all the time.
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:19 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Field goals are missed all the time.
And this one wasn't. Leading to the loss. Unless you are going to blame the defense for not blocking the FG.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:02 PM
 
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It now seems as though there was a ton of confusion on the field goal attempt.

Some stories point out the scoreboard said third down when it really was fourth down. The Ravens reacted and sent their kicker onto the field as the play clock was winding down. It looked like a frenzied and hurried field goal attempt .

The Ravens had a time out to burn-----I know the adage about icing you own kicker----but I think it may have made more sense to call the time out and let Cundiff relax for a few seconds, rather than conduct a high paced and frenetic field goal attempt.

He probably should have still made the kick---but I can now better understand the circumstances leading to the miss-----call the timeout, relax him for about 15 seconds a shout out a few words of encouragement.

I know we are second guessing here---but the field attempt did appear to be rushed.
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