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Old 12-09-2013, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Dude I hear your - the Carolina call was awful, I was sore about it for a week. However I don't think the PI in the Browns game was anywhere near as bad. Game is over so we can only talk about it. I totally agree, these missed calls are bad, no matter what side you're on - it eventually bites you - it's a double edge sword, some times it helps, some times it hurts. I believe everyone in the NFL has factored busted calls in and realize they have to make enough plays to offset them
It's not a matter of degree. There was no interference by the Browns. There wasn't anything that could even be considered interference by any referee whose decisions aren't predetermined.

Carolina game was probably just as bad, I didn't see it. I also don't have to see it to know that it was not worse. The question to ask here isn't, "who is getting screwed worse," it's "why do NFL refs call so many penalties that anyone can see aren't there?"
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:17 PM
 
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The popular dismissal is "everybody gets some bad calls" but the pertinent questions are "does everybody get their fair share of bad calls" and "are these bad calls seemingly related to Vegas odds". In my opinion the answer to the first is "no" and the answer to the second is "yes". Vegas had Carolina to beat New England, and they had New England to beat the Browns. In both cases there was a lot of money to have to make up for. I suspect that sometimes matches are also fixed for marketing purposes.

Ray Lewis' retirement and brothers in the Super Bowl were hard to swallow. Then when the 49ers were getting blown out the power went out and when it came back we saw a resurgent San Francisco team that made the game interesting and kept people tuned in to the big money advertisements.

I feel like it should be so obvious, and as much as I like to watch the game, I keep wondering where there isn't more discussion about this. Especially since local communities are affected financially by the game itself.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:35 PM
 
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The popular dismissal is "everybody gets some bad calls" but the pertinent questions are "does everybody get their fair share of bad calls" and "are these bad calls seemingly related to Vegas odds". In my opinion the answer to the first is "no" and the answer to the second is "yes". Vegas had Carolina to beat New England, and they had New England to beat the Browns. In both cases there was a lot of money to have to make up for. I suspect that sometimes matches are also fixed for marketing purposes.

Ray Lewis' retirement and brothers in the Super Bowl were hard to swallow. Then when the 49ers were getting blown out the power went out and when it came back we saw a resurgent San Francisco team that made the game interesting and kept people tuned in to the big money advertisements.

I feel like it should be so obvious, and as much as I like to watch the game, I keep wondering where there isn't more discussion about this. Especially since local communities are affected financially by the game itself.

Officiating has been worse that I can ever remember this year.

It's twice as bad for unpopular, losing teams like the Browns. The next time they are on the good side of one of these garbage calls that directly impacts the outcome of the game it will be the first time.

It's not the only reason they lost but it sure didn't help. I'm sure Pats fans would have felt the same way if it would have been them getting called for PI and the Browns getting the ball 1st and 10 on the 1 with 4 chances to get the ball to Gordon or Cameron.
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Old 12-09-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Charlotte,NC, US, North America, Earth, Alpha Quadrant,Milky Way Galaxy
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It's not a matter of degree. There was no interference by the Browns. There wasn't anything that could even be considered interference by any referee whose decisions aren't predetermined.

Carolina game was probably just as bad, I didn't see it. I also don't have to see it to know that it was not worse. The question to ask here isn't, "who is getting screwed worse," it's "why do NFL refs call so many penalties that anyone can see aren't there?"
outside of the year the replacement refs I don't remember a year in which there were this many complaints across the league on bad calls.
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Old 12-13-2013, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Thanks to the Chargers, the Pats chances at the one seed have improved. One game at a time though, and with road games in Miami and Baltimore..........not gonna be easy. GO PATS!!!
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Charlotte,NC, US, North America, Earth, Alpha Quadrant,Milky Way Galaxy
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Thanks to the Chargers, the Pats chances at the one seed have improved. One game at a time though, and with road games in Miami and Baltimore..........not gonna be easy. GO PATS!!!
what's necessary for Pats to get a #1 seed, another Denver loss and a Pats win?
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:20 PM
 
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what's necessary for Pats to get a #1 seed, another Denver loss and a Pats win?
If the Patriots win their last 3 games, they will have the #1 seed in the AFC. They own the tiebreaker over Denver since they won their match up.

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Old 12-15-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Charlotte,NC, US, North America, Earth, Alpha Quadrant,Milky Way Galaxy
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If the Patriots win their last 3 games, they will have the #1 seed in the AFC. They own the tiebreaker over Denver since they won their match up.
that's gonna be tough...they might actually lose to the dolphins today
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Old 12-15-2013, 01:58 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Good call. Not the usual outcome for Brady and company in December and against the Dolphins.

I saw someone thanking the Chargers for beating the Broncos. Well the playing field just got leveled again.

Came down to the last play though! What a game! In-division games can be tough late in the season.
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Old 12-15-2013, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Charlotte,NC, US, North America, Earth, Alpha Quadrant,Milky Way Galaxy
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Good call. Not the usual outcome for Brady and company in December and against the Dolphins.

I saw someone thanking the Chargers for beating the Broncos. Well the playing field just got leveled again.

Came down to the last play though! What a game! In-division games can be tough late in the season.
well it's just like last year - gronk is the difference maker, it's going to be tough without him. He would have gorilla-ed a catch in the endzone that Amendola got knocked away...
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