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Old 01-23-2015, 09:45 AM
 
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I think it's more likely than not that the Patriots cheated here. You just don't play at this level and not know these things. Brady knew, the receivers who caught his passes knew. Anyone who handled those deflated balls knew, including the officials. The officials who were neglectful in their duties, should be severely penalized. The Patriots should be forced to forfeit, giving the nod to the Colts. This can't be tolerated.

I'm a Pats fan, but don't like cheating.
What do you say to teams that have played with players using PEDs? Should their wins be vacated? What happens if they won games using those players that allowed them to get to the playoffs?

Call me a homer, but the Colts do not deserve to play in the Super Bowl.
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Old 01-23-2015, 10:04 AM
 
Location: SWFL
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Just heard a Raven say probably the only truth, the losing team (Colts) trying to make excuses for losing.

Good for you Raven player!
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Another twist on this whole DeflateGate thing.

Very few people are bringing up a name while they are too busy pointing the finger at Belichick and Brady.

Josh McDaniels. Post Spy Gate as coach of the Broncos, the Broncos were investigated for video taping a San Francisco walk through. Even though Steve Scarnecchia, head of Denver's videotaping took responsibility, was he just a fall guy? Is McDaniels escaping something here? He's the offensive coordinator. It's his job to know more about the offensive details than Belichick - that's what he was hired for. Combining Spy Gate, the Broncos issue, and now this - McDaniels is the common thread.

It has me wondering.
It was a Hawk player, not a Raven.

Thank you! As I stated before, he was the first thing that came to mind. "If it quacks...".

I am getting so sick of all this hoopla. It sure has taken the joy out of being in the SB AGAIN.
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Old 01-23-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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What do you say to teams that have played with players using PEDs? Should their wins be vacated? What happens if they won games using those players that allowed them to get to the playoffs?

Call me a homer, but the Colts do not deserve to play in the Super Bowl.
If New England cheated they should not be permitted to play in the Super Bowl.
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Old 01-23-2015, 10:42 AM
 
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I understand Belichick's depth of knowledge. But in the case of the actual football, that is personal to the QB and kicker, so Belichick would leave that up to them to worry about a game ready ball. The everything about everything is just plain wrong. I own a company and have employees. I don't have the time to know everything so I must trust my employees. If something goes wrong, then I have a need to know about specific details I am entrusting to someone else. Sorry, but I totally believe Belichick on this one. He was now forced to learn about ball management because the assumption is IF cheating the system and an individual(s) failed. Any wrong doing here if perpetrated but the Patriots and is found out to be cheating would be on Brady.

Does it really matter? Lets say it was Brady, or a ball boy, or whatever. The Coach is still responsible in the end, like a CEO is responsible for the action of his/her employees.

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I think it's more likely than not that the Patriots cheated here. You just don't play at this level and not know these things. Brady knew, the receivers who caught his passes knew. Anyone who handled those deflated balls knew, including the officials. The officials who were neglectful in their duties, should be severely penalized. The Patriots should be forced to forfeit, giving the nod to the Colts. This can't be tolerated.

I'm a Pats fan, but don't like cheating.

There is some word out that the balls weren't properly checked before the same (2.5 hrs before, or something like that) by the officials. Sounds improbable to me, but I guess (or I hope) we find out.

Seriously, this has ruined the super bowl for me. I just don't care anymore. I usually have sports radio on most of the day and now I just can't listen.
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Old 01-23-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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Does it really matter? Lets say it was Brady, or a ball boy, or whatever. The Coach is still responsible in the end, like a CEO is responsible for the action of his/her employees.

There is some word out that the balls weren't properly checked before the same (2.5 hrs before, or something like that) by the officials. Sounds improbable to me, but I guess (or I hope) we find out.

Seriously, this has ruined the super bowl for me. I just don't care anymore. I usually have sports radio on most of the day and now I just can't listen.
I understand the coach is ultimately responsible and will take part of the fall. All I am saying is objectively, to blindly cast fault and blame on someone who probably has no clue about footballs is smearing and defamation of character. If anyone believes in an organization as big as a football team that the coach will circumvent all of his employees and touch everything is wrong. And I understand the possibility he had something to do with it from the eyes of others, but with my understanding of the business of football and what it takes to win, 2 PSI's in a football would never be something anyone other than a QB, kicker, or equipment manager and staff would worry about.

And yes it certainly has spoiled the Super Bowl. Deep down I hope the NFL's report comes out showing no wrong doing, but knowing Goodell and the NFL and all of the negative press they've had this year, they are almost forced to lay down some law here even if the evidence is not black and white.
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Old 01-23-2015, 11:57 AM
 
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A VERY sensible article written at this stage of this whole thing. Pretty much what I've been saying:

Piecing it all together on deflated footballs - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
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Old 01-23-2015, 12:07 PM
 
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Well according to Sal Paolantonio, Brady held the press conference yesterday because he's worried his brand image, specifically with Uggs, is damaged. He said women don't like cheaters and they're also the main demographic that buy Uggs. So Brady held the press conference to save face.
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Old 01-23-2015, 01:59 PM
 
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A VERY sensible article written at this stage of this whole thing. Pretty much what I've been saying:

Piecing it all together on deflated footballs - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Great link...there are so many views and opinions on this I don't know what to believe. This is just embarrassing and a huge distraction before the Super Bowl. If guilty it wasn't worth it.

A Pats fan living in Indiana, I can just hear all the additional "cheater" talk and harassment coming at next weekend's party. Oh well, I'll sport my #12 jersey proudly.

Go Pats!
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Old 01-23-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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Great link...there are so many views and opinions on this I don't know what to believe. This is just embarrassing and a huge distraction before the Super Bowl. If guilty it wasn't worth it.

A Pats fan living in Indiana, I can just hear all the additional "cheater" talk and harassment coming at next weekend's party. Oh well, I'll sport my #12 jersey proudly.

Go Pats!
It's only embarrassing right now because of how the media is covering it. Other than soft balls we know nothing. Such a shame.

And I too will be sporting my #12 while my daughter sports her #87.
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Old 01-23-2015, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Avondale, Chicago
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At this time, I honestly don't know. I saw those pressers. I have no reason to believe either one of them are lying, yet. The next step is to wait and see the NFL's findings. If they find nothing, of course people will assume cover-up and still call the Patriots cheaters.
It's very simple. If Brady comes out for the presser and says "hey, I like my balls a little light" (*snicker*) and "I'm sorry if we violated a league rule, we will take measures to make sure this doesn't happen again" then that ends it with more answers than more questions in the end. He had every opportunity to do this.

You know, if your team hadn't been caught cheating before under the same coach, there wouldn't be this bad a perception. There's a bit of a repeat-offender thing going, and it makes everyone wonder what other things the team might be doing that hasn't even come to light yet.
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