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Old 01-27-2015, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I Saw a good friend of mine today at work. I work from home and come in the office about once or twice a week so I don't see him as often. He is a Bostonian and a big Pats fan.. i could see the anguish in his face. He told me that he couldn't simply enjoy the win, he had to constantly defend the Pats.. I told him to let 'em eat cake and with any luck.. you'll be celebrating for a 4th time while most other teams fans are still yearning for just 1. Not much else I could say.. i think that is the most disappointing aspect for Pats fans.. they can't simply sit back and enjoy a win..
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Old 01-27-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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I Saw a good friend of mine today at work. I work from home and come in the office about once or twice a week so I don't see him as often. He is a Bostonian and a big Pats fan.. i could see the anguish in his face. He told me that he couldn't simply enjoy the win, he had to constantly defend the Pats.. I told him to let 'em eat cake and with any luck.. you'll be celebrating for a 4th time while most other teams fans are still yearning for just 1. Not much else I could say.. i think that is the most disappointing aspect for Pats fans.. they can't simply sit back and enjoy a win..
That really is the bottom line to all of this.

Fans have for the most part been on the defensive since 2007. That had not gone away, and now this. It's as bad as it's ever been.

I want #4. Before this happened, the reason was for Brady to get #4 because for whatever reason (hmmm...the hatred), so many think that the prior 2 SB losses take away from the 3 victories, in comparing to Montana's and Bradshaw's 4 SB victories. I never truly understood that argument based on the overall success being "best ever" (although no such thing). Now, it's just to shove it in the face of the detractors.
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Old 01-27-2015, 01:36 PM
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Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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That really is the bottom line to all of this.

Fans have for the most part been on the defensive since 2007. That had not gone away, and now this. It's as bad as it's ever been.

I want #4. Before this happened, the reason was for Brady to get #4 because for whatever reason (hmmm...the hatred), so many think that the prior 2 SB losses take away from the 3 victories, in comparing to Montana's and Bradshaw's 4 SB victories. I never truly understood that argument based on the overall success being "best ever" (although no such thing). Now, it's just to shove it in the face of the detractors.
Win it for Brady and to shut up Sherman...On Super Sunday I will be a Pats fan....
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Old 01-27-2015, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Two Rivers, Wisconsin
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Stay safe everyone, quite the storm, hope all is well!
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:48 AM
 
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I am not a Patriots fan, But I can only assume they are called cheaters because they are a success. Yes, they taped another teams signals. Jimmy Johnson said he did the same thing as the Cowboy's coach and he learned it from the Chiefs. The Giants cheated on the salary cap and had players on their team they should not have had. There are two coaches, Mike Tomlin of the Steelers was one of them, who went out on the field during a game and interfered with a player. The Saints were paying bonuses to players who would hurt another team's players, which Is a clear violation of the rules. And the list goes on. Are not all these teams cheaters too?
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:58 AM
 
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I am not a Patriots fan, But I can only assume they are called cheaters because they are a success. Yes, they taped another teams signals. Jimmy Johnson said he did the same thing as the Cowboy's coach and he learned it from the Chiefs. The Giants cheated on the salary cap and had players on their team they should not have had. There are two coaches, Mike Tomlin of the Steelers was one of them, who went out on the field during a game and interfered with a player. The Saints were paying bonuses to players who would hurt another team's players, which Is a clear violation of the rules. And the list goes on. Are not all these teams cheaters too?
Although we can continue to point this out, for one we know two wrongs don't make a right. But that said, I firmly believe due to the Patriots success they are targeted for anything deemed cheating. There are so many stories about other teams and players over the years cheating in one way or another, but obviously none are as successful as the Patriots.
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Old 01-28-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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Some interesting questions on the role of Mike Kensil being raised with regard to 'Deflategate':

Deflategate probe's driving force is ex-New York Jets executive employee - NFL - SI.com

Complicating matters for the NFL is that the bat initially was swung by Mike Kensil, a former employee of the Jets with a reputation among the Patriots for being an agitator.

NFL bears plenty of blame for #DeflateGate | ProFootballTalk
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Old 01-29-2015, 08:12 PM
 
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Although we can continue to point this out, for one we know two wrongs don't make a right. But that said, I firmly believe due to the Patriots success they are targeted for anything deemed cheating. There are so many stories about other teams and players over the years cheating in one way or another, but obviously none are as successful as the Patriots.
They are also substantially less fined for illegalities than the Colts or the Ravens who are close to 4 million each in fines while the PAts are under 200k
Not to mention domestic violence and drugs etc....
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Old 01-30-2015, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Southern NH
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Cautiously optimistic on the game.... if the Pats win, I will confidently argue that Belichick is the best football coach of all time, Brady the best QB of all time, and the combo the best football dynasty of all time.... It has been 14 years. What other football team has had a run like this? We've seen it in other sports: the Celtics in basketball in the 60's did... the Yankees in the 40's/50's... Montreal Canadians in the 60's/70's.... Football?
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Old 01-30-2015, 04:38 PM
 
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Steelers: 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979
Cowboys: 1992, 1993, 1995
49ers: 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1994
Raiders: 1976, 1980, 1983

Choose any 14 year interval around those years that you like. Btw, comparing 3 (possibly 4) rings in over a decade doesn't even come close to the Celtics of the 60s, the Canadiens of the 60s/70s, or the Yankees of the 30s/40s/50s.
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