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Old 01-31-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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Sorry, I misposted. This is the one I was thinking about..


On November 27, 2010, the NFL fined the Denver Broncos and their head coach Josh McDaniels, who served as an assistant coach under Belichick from 20012008, $50,000 each after Broncos video director Steve Scarnecchia videotaped the San Francisco 49ers' walkthrough practice prior to the October 30, 2010 NFL International Series game in Wembley Stadium
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Old 01-31-2015, 05:29 PM
 
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You can also argue they're 3 field goals away from having 0 Super Bowl wins.



But it's really different in football. If this were hockey or baseball or basketball, getting to the final 4 every year would be one thing. But when you play such a weak division that you get a bye every year and all you have to do is beat a relatively weak team (like Houston, Denver with Tebow, Indianapolis, Baltimore without Smith) on an extra week of rest to get to the AFCCG, it's not as big of an accomplishment as it seems. There's a reason they've failed to win it all once they've gotten to the final 4 so many times.
You clearly do not know how well the Patriots have played against the other divisions in the AFC and the NFC. The Patriots have won over 80% of their games against the NFC the last 14 seasons. They've won over 70% of their games against the AFC North and AFC South in the last 14 seasons. They've won over 60% of their games against the AFC West in the last 1 seasons. Bottom line - New England has been averaging over 7 wins a season against non AFC East teams.

You might also say if Welker held onto that catch late int eh 4th quarter and Tyree didn't make that 1 out of 100 catch, the Patriots would have 5 Super Bowl titles......
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Old 01-31-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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You clearly do not know how well the Patriots have played against the other divisions in the AFC and the NFC. The Patriots have won over 80% of their games against the NFC the last 14 seasons. They've won over 70% of their games against the AFC North and AFC South in the last 14 seasons. They've won over 60% of their games against the AFC West in the last 1 seasons. Bottom line - New England has been averaging over 7 wins a season against non AFC East teams.
So what? Even though they beat most NFC teams, when they play them in the regular season, they still routinely lose to the tough teams (Packers this year, 49ers and Seahawks 2 years ago). Even if they get 7 wins out of their division, they still play in a weak division, and they tend to finish 1 or maybe 2 games over not having the bye. Playing in a tougher division would take away that nearly automatic advantage.

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You might also say if Welker held onto that catch late int eh 4th quarter and Tyree didn't make that 1 out of 100 catch, the Patriots would have 5 Super Bowl titles......
Maybe try reading the comment I was responding to. That was exactly what was said. All 5 of their SBs in the Brady era were close games arguably determined (or at least heavily influenced) by 1 play. It's ridiculous to say they could have won these games if this, this, and this happened, as if they were somehow cheated. They could have also lost their other SBs if this, that, and the other thing happened.

Btw, that Tyree catch was on 3rd and 5. Who knows what would have happened on 4th down. Or they could have played defense and not let Burress get so wide open in the end zone. That game wasn't over when NY got to midfield. And that Welker drop was with about 4 minutes left, and they still let Eli have that huge downfield play to Manningham or Cruz or whoever it was.

P. Manning could have won his 2nd SB if he hadn't thrown that pick 6. The 49ers could have gone 6-0 in SBs if they had just gotten the ball in the endzone on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th down. It didn't happen.
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Old 01-31-2015, 08:20 PM
 
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So what? Even though they beat most NFC teams, when they play them in the regular season, they still routinely lose to the tough teams (Packers this year, 49ers and Seahawks 2 years ago). Even if they get 7 wins out of their division, they still play in a weak division, and they tend to finish 1 or maybe 2 games over not having the bye. Playing in a tougher division would take away that nearly automatic advantage.



Maybe try reading the comment I was responding to. That was exactly what was said. All 5 of their SBs in the Brady era were close games arguably determined (or at least heavily influenced) by 1 play. It's ridiculous to say they could have won these games if this, this, and this happened, as if they were somehow cheated. They could have also lost their other SBs if this, that, and the other thing happened.

Btw, that Tyree catch was on 3rd and 5. Who knows what would have happened on 4th down. Or they could have played defense and not let Burress get so wide open in the end zone. That game wasn't over when NY got to midfield. And that Welker drop was with about 4 minutes left, and they still let Eli have that huge downfield play to Manningham or Cruz or whoever it was.

P. Manning could have won his 2nd SB if he hadn't thrown that pick 6. The 49ers could have gone 6-0 in SBs if they had just gotten the ball in the endzone on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th down. It didn't happen.
They beat an 11 win Detroit team this year. Detroit was a playoff team. Last season they beat an 11 win New Orleans team, that also made the playoffs. In 2010 they beat both Chicago, 11 wins and a playoff team, and Green Bay, 10 wins and also a playoff team. Both Chicago and Green Bay played in the NFC title game and Green Bay won the Super Bowl. So no, the Patriots do not routinely lose to the better NFC teams.

Believe it or not, the AFC East has not been the weakest division in the AFC over the last 7 seasons. The AFC South and AFC West have switched off with that honor. 2008 - West. 2009 - West. 2010 - South. 2011 - South. 2012 - West. 2013 - South. 2014 - South.
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Old 01-31-2015, 08:37 PM
 
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So what if they beat Detroit or New Orleans or whoever else? Yes, they can beat playoff teams. They routinely prove that by getting to AFCCGs. But they lose to legitimate SB contenders (I said tough, not "better"), as with GB, SF, Seattle, NO back when the Saints were dominant.

If they switched divisions with Pittsburgh, Baltimore, or Cincinnati, whoever they switched with would routinely win 12+ games each year while the Patriots would still get into the playoffs with 10-11 wins (sometimes winning the division, sometimes getting a wild card spot). They might get a bye week every few years, but not routinely.

And that is exactly what makes getting to the final 4 in football less impressive than in other sports: you can dominate a terrible division and win 1 game against a pretty good, but not great, team with an extra week off, and you're already in the final 4. (For example, the Nats just dominated a weak division last year, but they got killed in the first round and didn't even make it to the final 4.) It's an impressive accomplishment, but not enough to be considered a great dynasty. They were a great dynasty in the early 2000s. The past 10 years, not so much.
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Old 02-01-2015, 08:29 AM
 
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Congratulations to Gronk for winning the Best Comeback Player award last night. Go Gronk!

GO PATRIOTS!!!!
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Old 02-01-2015, 02:07 PM
 
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Here we go again. Saw a report today that only one of the Pats' balls was seriously deflated. Whatever that means.
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Old 02-01-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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Chris Collingsworth, Al Michaels and Bob Costas......S T F U!!!!!!! God, I am so sick of this deflate gate crap.
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Old 02-01-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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Costas should be gagged. He is one of the reasons I don't watch the pregame or half time on Sunday night football.
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Old 02-01-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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It's old. It's tiring. It's the media at their assumptions worst.
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