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Old 12-12-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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This was a case of a perfect storm where the Dolphins played great and the Patriots played terrible. Miami had good play calling, obviously executed on the field whereas the Pats didn't, and simply dominated the game. I will say as a Pats fan though, the only silver lining I can take out of last nights game was the Pats only lost by 7. IN general when the Pats are on the positive end of such a game they win by 20+. Dolphins still hanging on.

This could be a good thing for the Patriots. Sometimes you need to lose a game to come back to reality which in this case is what you might need going into the last 3 games.
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:08 PM
 
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This could be a good thing for the Patriots. Sometimes you need to lose a game to come back to reality which in this case is what you might need going into the last 3 games.
GRONK'S Absence killed the Patriots on 3rd Downs. Brady loves to throw to him over the middle to make those 3rd down conversions, and the importance of Gronk to that offense sure was exposed. Brady is great, but he is 40 and the Finz knew to stay on him, keep him looking at the defense which takes his eyes off his receivers for a second


Patriots defense rates 29th overall in total yards. Without Gronk to add 14 points to each game, Brady and company alone were not quite enough.
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:23 PM
 
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GRONK'S Absence killed the Patriots on 3rd Downs. Brady loves to throw to him over the middle to make those 3rd down conversions, and the importance of Gronk to that offense sure was exposed. Brady is great, but he is 40 and the Finz knew to stay on him, keep him looking at the defense which takes his eyes off his receivers for a second


Patriots defense rates 29th overall in total yards. Without Gronk to add 14 points to each game, Brady and company alone were not quite enough.
I'll have to disagree with you on this. Yes Gronk definitely made an impact. But it's a lot more than that that contributed to the loss, and Gronk is only just a piece. Xavien Howard took Cooks out of the game and made 2 key INT's. Hogan just came back after missing several games. Never forget not having Edelman is huge. And the Pats showed last year what they could do without Gronk. Cutler played an excellent game behind your O-line that played well. Your D-line gave Brady no time for routes to form. Almost every QB getting pressured gets rattled, throwing their timing off. Rodgers is the best at that avoidance, of course it's Brady's release time that's his advantage but your Fins stuffed that.

The Pats D has been suspect all year. And tell the truth - is this the best game the Dolphins have played all season?
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:36 PM
 
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Jay Cutler certainly has taken his lumps over the years including criticism on this forum; however you have to give credit where credit is due for last nights victory.

25 completions out of 38 attempts for 263 yards and 3 touchdowns with a qb rating of 118.6--PLUS an easy 60 yard or so td toss was dropped early in the 4th quarter (either Landry or Grant, can't remember which.) If that goes for 6 the Dolphins go up 34-10.

Also credit the Dolphins defensive line for being in Brady's face all night--IIRC he was sacked 4 times and threw 2 picks.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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Cutler is hit or miss throughout the years. You can do a lot worse than Jay Cutler as your starting QB. He deserves plenty of criticism for what he has been paid, etc... but he isn't close to being a bottom tier QB like some media and fans have oddly and almost orgasmically, tried to exclaim.
Gase's offense was historically anemic earlier in the season. But he knows what he is doing and given time just like last season, is doing very well at masking weaknesses. Playoffs are still not out of the question suddenly, but the one thing for sure, come off-season, they can't ignore putting together a credible offensive line like they failed to do last off-season.
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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Cutler is hit or miss throughout the years. You can do a lot worse than Jay Cutler as your starting QB. He deserves plenty of criticism for what he has been paid, etc... but he isn't close to being a bottom tier QB like some media and fans have oddly and almost orgasmically, tried to exclaim.
Gase's offense was historically anemic earlier in the season. But he knows what he is doing and given time just like last season, is doing very well at masking weaknesses. Playoffs are still not out of the question suddenly, but the one thing for sure, come off-season, they can't ignore putting together a credible offensive line like they failed to do last off-season.
Cutler is a very frustrating player to watch because he has the capacity to be great but not the desire to be more than painfully average. Jay can stabilize a bad QB situation otherwise but that is about it.
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:19 AM
 
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well...Jarvis gets the franchise tag, I still say draft OL first round....give the QB some protection to get the ball to him .


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Old 02-21-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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Cutler is hit or miss throughout the years. You can do a lot worse than Jay Cutler as your starting QB. He deserves plenty of criticism for what he has been paid, etc... but he isn't close to being a bottom tier QB like some media and fans have oddly and almost orgasmically, tried to exclaim.
Gase's offense was historically anemic earlier in the season. But he knows what he is doing and given time just like last season, is doing very well at masking weaknesses. Playoffs are still not out of the question suddenly, but the one thing for sure, come off-season, they can't ignore putting together a credible offensive line like they failed to do last off-season.


Cutler has been hit or miss through the years but he was absolutely dreadful this year. He average 6.2 yards per attempt, which is a pretty anemic rate. I recognize that it wasn't an ideal situation, as he was a late signing due to the Tannehill injury but he really was terrible.


Question for Dolphins fans - do you prefer for the team to allow Tannehill to be the undisputed starter in 2018 or do you prefer the Dolphins to use their 2018 1st rounder on a QB?
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Old 02-21-2018, 09:09 AM
 
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Tannehill without a doubt. I was a critic, particularly to being oblivious to when the pocket began to collapse when he dropped back to pass. However he was a totally different QB under Gase before he got hurt. Gotta let it ride after what we last saw. As for Landry, his antics after the TD late in the final game vs Buffalo were disturbing. Time to act like a professional if Gase is serious about the message he was trying to deliver when Ajayi was traded.
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Old 02-21-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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Tannehill without a doubt. I was a critic, particularly to being oblivious to when the pocket began to collapse when he dropped back to pass. However he was a totally different QB under Gase before he got hurt. Gotta let it ride after what we last saw. As for Landry, his antics after the TD late in the final game vs Buffalo were disturbing. Time to act like a professional if Gase is serious about the message he was trying to deliver when Ajayi was traded.


Yeah, I tend to agree that they should stick with Tannehill and see if he can continue to progress. The reason that I ask is that on Wingo & Golic this morning they discussed the draft with Mel Kiper and there was a discussion on the possibility that the Dolphins would take a QB with the #11 pick. Kiper thinks one of the top QBs will likely slide down and be available when the Dolphins are on the clock and that they might decide to pull the trigger on a QB.
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