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Old 06-20-2014, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Denver
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"Racism".

For 82 years this football team has had that nickname and in ALL THAT TIME the native Americans were so un-offended that they wouldn't BUY the team and change the name itself.

They couldn't mount a boycott large enough to force the team to change the name?

For nearly a century?

Perhaps this so-called "racism" that you claim wasn't exactly the nightmare for Indians that you are imagining it was or is. THAT is why MOST Indians couldn't care less...they have perspective and they do not have "white guilt".

The reason most native Americans aren't making a big deal about this is because they know that it isn't a big deal.

Its the nickname of some pro sports team...changing the name does NOTHING to help poor Indians.

Don't like the name...buy the team.

Can't afford it? Too bad.

I'm thinking you will be able to live with it.
They do care. A small example, but I think it applies:

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Old 06-20-2014, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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that's just it though....of the native americans in this country, only a few were offended by the Redskins name. And polls have shown that there are still 72? Native American schools across the west that have a school name "Redskins"

Politicians and radio/tv personalities are taking advantage of this latest trending issue to make themselves appear "open minded, progressive, and deep thinking," but behind closed doors probably dont' care either way about the name. Just using it for political points. Disgusting really.

Look you guys.....at the end of the day, we are talking about the name of a sports team. Seriously?! Why is Obama speaking about this in front of the press?! Isn't Iraq falling aparat?! who cares about the name of a football team?

If the Redskins were to change the name, how will the United States be a better place the next day?
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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A. What percentage of ALL native Americans are represented by this "group"?

If 1% of white people actively sought to be called "Northern European-Americans" would that automatically mean that the other 99% felt this was a priority as well?

-and-

B. HOW would a name change help improve the lives of impoverished Indians?

And please...be specific.
I have no idea why you keep beating the same drum. For the 11th time a name change would not improve the many other problems NAs face. Nobody claimed it would. You have found excuses to dismiss my other analogies so I'll try a third one:

If I kept my neighbor up at night with loud music it's a problem for him. Not as big of a problem as his 6 screaming kids with Rickets but it's a problem. So if I stop playing loud music late at night it would be the right thing to do even though it does nothing to solve his problem of 6 screaming kids with Rickets. Why would anyone make the claim that stopping the late music should cure Rickets or it shouldn't be done at all? That is what you are arguing and it's a crazy argument.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:43 AM
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that's just it though....of the native americans in this country, only a few were offended by the Redskins name. And polls have shown that there are still 72? Native American schools across the west that have a school name "Redskins"

Politicians and radio/tv personalities are taking advantage of this latest trending issue to make themselves appear "open minded, progressive, and deep thinking," but behind closed doors probably dont' care either way about the name. Just using it for political points. Disgusting really.

Look you guys.....at the end of the day, we are talking about the name of a sports team. Seriously?! Why is Obama speaking about this in front of the press?! Isn't Iraq falling aparat?! who cares about the name of a football team?

If the Redskins were to change the name, how will the United States be a better place the next day?
It would show that racism, no matter how small of a scale, is not tolerated.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:49 AM
MJ7
 
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I have no idea why you keep beating the same drum. For the 11th time a name change would not improve the many other problems NAs face. Nobody claimed it would. You have found excuses to dismiss my other analogies so I'll try a third one:

If I kept my neighbor up at night with loud music it's a problem for him. Not as big of a problem as his 6 screaming kids with Rickets but it's a problem. So if I stop playing loud music late at night it would be the right thing to do even though it does nothing to solve his problem of 6 screaming kids with Rickets. Why would anyone make the claim that stopping the late music should cure Rickets or it shouldn't be done at all? That is what you are arguing and it's a crazy argument.
I believe the answer they want is that it would cure cancer, stop global hunger and end all wars.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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that's just it though....of the native americans in this country, only a few were offended by the Redskins name. And polls have shown that there are still 72? Native American schools across the west that have a school name "Redskins"...
link please? like most of the nonsense you post as fact, this too is laughable

tick...tock...tick...tock...

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Old 06-20-2014, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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I believe the answer they want is that it would cure cancer, stop global hunger and end all wars.
Or it's not worth doing at all. Got it.

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Old 06-20-2014, 01:22 PM
 
Location: North America
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I have no idea why you keep beating the same drum. For the 11th time a name change would not improve the many other problems NAs face. Nobody claimed it would. You have found excuses to dismiss my other analogies so I'll try a third one:

If I kept my neighbor up at night with loud music it's a problem for him. Not as big of a problem as his 6 screaming kids with Rickets but it's a problem. So if I stop playing loud music late at night it would be the right thing to do even though it does nothing to solve his problem of 6 screaming kids with Rickets. Why would anyone make the claim that stopping the late music should cure Rickets or it shouldn't be done at all? That is what you are arguing and it's a crazy argument.
In all of your weird examples stopping a hypothetical action or taking a hypothetical action literally helps out a hypothetical situation.

By changing the name of a sports team (a name they've had for 82 years) NOTHING, literally NOTHING is "helped" or "improved" in the lives of Indians.

An example of how the Redskins could help out a situation by making a change:

Let's say that FedEx Field (where the Redskins play their home games) used too much water that was supposed to go to local residents. The residents protest...and the Redskins use less water at the stadium.

THAT is an example of the team making a change that actually matters to people and would help people out.

Changing the name of the team does ZERO to help out native Americans!

Claiming that the team name is a major priority for American Indians is an insult to them because it ignores REAL problems that exist on the reservations.
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Denver
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In all of your weird examples stopping a hypothetical action or taking a hypothetical action literally helps out a hypothetical situation.

By changing the name of a sports team (a name they've had for 82 years) NOTHING, literally NOTHING is "helped" or "improved" in the lives of Indians.

An example of how the Redskins could help out a situation by making a change:

Let's say that FedEx Field (where the Redskins play their home games) used too much water that was supposed to go to local residents. The residents protest...and the Redskins use less water at the stadium.

THAT is an example of the team making a change that actually matters to people and would help people out.

Changing the name of the team does ZERO to help out native Americans!

Claiming that the team name is a major priority for American Indians is an insult to them because it ignores REAL problems that exist on the reservations.
The team itself would probably benefit from a name change the most. Everyone would want the old merchandise and the new. Also, it would be a good thing to do so they would probably get major deniro from the publicity and advertising.

Who knows maybe Native Americans would be more involved in American football?
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:50 PM
Status: "What if there were no hypothetical questions?" (set 13 hours ago)
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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Since the US government has all this time on their hands to handle important issues like this, why not generate a vote on every reservation by all native americans that are enrolled members of a tribe. Of course, almost anyone could vote even if they're not native americans since no one would be forced to show any ID's.

One question on the ballot with national security at stake:

ARE YOU OFFENDED BY THE USE OF THE TERM "REDSKINS" AS USED FOR ATHLETIC TEAMS?

Yes _____ No_____

If over 50% (or 60% or 70%, pick one) of the vote say yes, then the US government forces the name change without any recourse. They have proven that they can do this as we now know since the 3 branches of the government meant to keep each other in check are no longer functional.

Phew!!! Now maybe the administration can concentrate on discovering the major issues of the world prior to having to first hear about them on the network news.
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