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Old 06-26-2014, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Well if you weren't speaking of Dave (and as much as I disagree with him, he's not acting like a troll), you surely can't be speaking about me, so that leaves you.
LOL

Yeah we totally see this thing differently but skinsguy and I are OK. As long as he doesn't say anything dumb that is.
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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I'm from South Dakota and can tell you that the Redskins logo as it stands now is a much more flattering representation of native americans than what would be replicated for a 21st century NA logo.

As was posted on here before, if you want something that's damned offensive and ridiculing to the NA's, it's the tomahawk chop matched with the chanting that goes on at FS Seminoles and Atlanta Braves games. To me that's insulting to Indians and absolutely annoying to most anyone else just wanting to enjoy the game. I can't stand either team primarily because of it.
I see what you mean. Where is the outcry from the mass media about that? If society is going to attack the Redskins name than you have to go after the racist chants that the Florida State University Seminoles and Atlanta Braves participate in. It would be only fair.
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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LOL

Yeah we totally see this thing differently but skinsguy and I are OK. As long as he doesn't say anything dumb that is.
LOL!



Not much of a chance of that happening.
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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Well, looks like the Cleveland Indians are next!

Native American Group Mounts $9B Lawsuit Against Cleveland Indians

And it looks like the Kansas City Chiefs are being targeted as well:

Plaintiff In Redskins Patent Case Urges Kansas City Chiefs To Change Their Name

And looks like there are some rumblings about the Chicago Blackhawks' Logo:

Chicago Blackhawks Logo


And the anti-redskins crowd seems to be getting a political fight on their hands:

VA Lawmakers Form "Redskins Pride Caucus"

This caucus, by the way, is a bi-partisan effort to keep the name.
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:33 PM
 
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When this is all over, everyone will go back to not caring about Native Americans and their problems. But at least you might get the name changed.
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:06 AM
 
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It is a horribly racist nickname. I would bet you if they were called the Washington Negroes or the Wetbacks or the Crackers that nickname would have been revoked years ago.
Atlanta Crackers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for "Redskins", yeah it was originally a slur, but you break the name down, it just means "red skin". You can go on and on about historic connotations and what not, but aren't the uniforms of the team red? They wear red "skins" (coverings) then. That makes them the Redskins. Same thing with the Red Sox or White Sox (or older Red Stockings and White Stockings). There is a native mascot inside a drum and feather, but I don't see how this imagery is offensive in the slightest. The face isn't a goofy caricature (see the old Braves logo or Indians logo), but a pretty accurate portrayal of an honorable warrior, colored to match the team colors.

It really comes down to brand name and marketing. The Redskins have won Super Bowls, and are kind of an American institution, being the team playing the nation's top sport from the nation's capital. That's the main reason it is probably never going to change. With all the other transient teams Washington has experienced, the Skins are the one constant. It just wouldn't be the same if they changed their name and logo to something else. Sure the Bullets changed their name to the Wizards, but the Bullets weren't exactly an NBA power or name brand of the magnitude of the Redskins.

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Old 06-27-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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Atlanta Crackers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for "Redskins", yeah it was originally a slur, but you break the name down, it just means "red skin". You can go on and on about historic connotations and what not, but aren't the uniforms of the team red? They wear red "skins" (coverings) then. That makes them the Redskins. Same thing with the Red Sox or White Sox (or older Red Stockings and White Stockings). There is a native mascot inside a drum and feather, but I don't see how this imagery is offensive in the slightest. The face isn't a goofy caricature (see the old Braves logo or Indians logo), but a pretty accurate portrayal of an honorable warrior, colored to match the team colors.

It really comes down to brand name and marketing. The Redskins have won Super Bowls, and are kind of an American institution, being the team playing the nation's top sport from the nation's capital. That's the main reason it is probably never going to change. With all the other transient teams Washington has experienced, the Skins are the one constant. It just wouldn't be the same if they changed their name and logo to something else. Sure the Bullets changed their name to the Wizards, but the Bullets weren't exactly an NBA power or name brand of the magnitude of the Redskins.
It wasn't originally a slur. I think Ives Goddard made a good point to dispel that type of misinformation. I do agree with the rest you said though. The logo was created by a Native American and I've always found it to be quite honorable - much more so than a cartoon character. Some have talked about going back to the cursive 'R' and yellow helmet, but that era was strictly a Vince Lombardi thing - which wasn't a very large part of Redskins history. I've said before that I could definitely see the spear and feather helmets coming back - I really loved those helmets!
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Old 06-27-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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When this is all over, everyone will go back to not caring about Native Americans and their problems. But at least you might get the name changed.
This is exactly what will happen, and in the big picture, the name change will have done absolutely nothing for civil rights, the Native Americans themselves, and sports teams. All it will do is fuel the fire for any ol' special interest group to flood our nation's courts with frivolous lawsuits of offense.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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When I was a defender of the name I too screamed "what about the Tomahawk Chop, the Indians mascot" etc. I feel no differently now and I'm glad they are going after those groups as well. The worst by far is the Indians' mascot. I mean it makes Little Black Sambo look like Martin Luther King.
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Old 06-27-2014, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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No, it's not offensive to me and shouldn't be offensive to anyone. It honors native Americans. Corporations pay millions to have stadiums named after them. Our city was named after the man who platted the railroad to come through our area. The main street that I pull onto every morning was named after our local U.S. senator. This is an honor to these men. Having an NFL team named after a race is an honor to that entire race. It's saying we are a proud team, strong, fearless, warriors. If it had meant anything else, it never would have been picked for a name.
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