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Old 12-02-2012, 04:24 PM
 
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Yahoo Sports shows that C. Batch through an incomplete pass at the 7:58 mark of the 1st quarter.
It was on 2nd down. The clock began to run at the 7:58 mark and on third down he completed an 8 yard pass, short of the first down. That was completed at the 7:52 mark. It's now 4th down and the clock is running. Pittsburgh brings the field goal team on the field and there is a field goal formation. The score goes from 0-0 to 3-0 at the 7:12 mark of the first quarter.

Did anyone score in the first 7 1/2 minutes of the game?
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CBS Sports shows this:
3-12-BAL 36 (7:52) C.Batch pass short right to A.Brown to BLT 28 for 8 yards.
4-4-BAL 28 (7:52) (Field Goal formation) S.Suisham 46 yard field goal is GOOD.

You can not complete a pass at the 7:52 mark and kick a field goal at the 7:52 mark.

From what I am being told the exact same thing you see above, is shown on NFL dot com.
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But look at the play by play on ESPN and you see the Pittsburgh drive started at 12:41 and ended with the field goal, and the drive was 5 minutes and 29 seconds.

Pittsburgh Steelers at 12:41
1st and 10 at PIT 24 J.Dwyer right tackle to PIT 29 for 5 yards
2nd and 5 at PIT 29 C. Batch pass incomplete short right to M.Wallace.
3rd and 5 at PIT 29 C.Batch pass deep to E.Sanders to PIT 41 for 12 yards
1st and 10 at PIT 41 J.Dwyer left guard to PIT 45 for 4 yards.
2nd and 6 at PIT 45 J.Dwyer left tackle to PIT 49 for 4 yards.
3rd and 2 at PIT 49 C.Batch pass short right to W.Johnson to BLT 48 for 3 yards
1st and 10 at BAL 48 J.Dwyer right guard to BLT 34 for 14 yards.
1st and 10 at BAL 34 J.Dwyer left guard to BLT 36 for -2 yards.
2nd and 12 at BAL 36 C.Batch pass incomplete short left to A.Brown.
3rd and 12 at BAL 36 C.Batch pass short right to A.Brown to BLT 28 for 8 yards
4th and 4 at BAL 28(Field Goal formation)
S.Suisham 46 yard field goal is GOOD,
DRIVE TOTALS: PIT 3, BAL 0, 11 plays, 78 yards, 5:29 elapsed

What 12:41 minus 5:29...?
It's 7:12 which appears to be the time the score went to 3-0.

Did anyone score in the first 7 1/2 minutes of the game?

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Old 12-02-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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Howard555, what little info I could give you is from the USA Today box score of the game. It said that Steelers kicker Sean Suisham kicked a 46 yard field with 7:12 left in the first quarter. There was no other scoring in the first quarter.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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Howard555, what little info I could give you is from the

USA Today

box score of the game. It said that Steelers kicker Sean Suisham kicked a 46 yard field with 7:12 left in the first quarter. There was no other scoring in the first quarter.
That is what I find on ESPN and YAHOO sports.
I placed a wager of $5.00 that no one would score in the first 7 minutes and 30 seconds. I think the field goal went onto the scoreboard 7 minutes and 48 seconds into the game.

The other side of this said their official site for results is NFL dot com.

From my first post, you see that NFL dot com and CBS have two events happening at 7:52.
An 8 yard completed pass and a field goal. Of course I lost my dispute with the other side, since they claim they use NFL dot com.
If I was trying pull a fast one, it would not be on a $5.00 wager.
I see multiple sources that show the field goal was good at the 7:12 mark. (7:48 into the game)

Their argument was that the Steelers were going into field goal formation. Of course they were.
But formations don't score until there is execution and formations don't stop the clock in the NFL unless the previous play was an incomplete pass, time out, or player out of bounds. None of those occurred.
The clock stopped at 7:58 due to the incomplete pass on 2nd down. The clock started with the 3rd down snap of the ball, the pass was completed but short of the first down, the field goal team came on and kicked the FG at 7:12 left in the quarter.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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The game will probably be on the NFL Network Game Rewind Tuesday or Wednesday.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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This came from NFL dot com which actually gets/gives their data from/to CBS sports.

Pittsburgh Steelers drive started at 12:42

The first play of the drive started at 12:42 after a punt by Baltimore.
Therefore the times below are when the plays started.

2nd down:
(7:58) (Shotgun) 16-C.Batch pass incomplete short left to 84-A.Brown.
HINT: The clock stops at 7:52 on the incomplete pass.

3-12-BAL 36
(7:52) (Shotgun) 16-C.Batch pass short right to 84-A.Brown to BAL 28 for 8 yards (23-C.Brown).
HINT: the clock starts at 7:52 and keeps running at the field goal unit comes on the field.

4-4-BAL 28
(7:52) (Field Goal formation) 6-S.Suisham 46 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-60-G.Warren, Holder-9-D.Butler.

PIT 3 BAL 0 Plays: 11 Possession: 5:30

12:42 - 5:30 = 7:12

You can not start a pass play at 7:52 and kick a field goal at 7:52.

Do USA Today, ESPN, and Yahoo all fabricate their stats?

I have not checked on Fox Sports, or ABC sports, or NBC sports.
I have a strange feeling I'll find what I conclude as being accurate. FG at 7:12

NFL dot com has no incentive whatsoever, to change that stat. It does not affect the record books one bit. The time of the field goal is not NFL history, meant to be accurate.

I lost because of the source the website uses for it's data.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:27 PM
 
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Clearly there is a mistake. Look at the next few plays.

Kick a FG at 7:52.
Baltimore's first play after the kickoff is at 7:06.

There is no way that the FG plus the kickoff took 46 seconds.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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you got Hosed Howard.
I would not wager with that outfit again..
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:12 PM
 
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Confirmed on NFL Rewind. FG completed at 7:12 remaining in 1stQ.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:40 PM
 
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Confirmed on NFL Rewind. FG completed at 7:12 remaining in 1stQ.
NFL dot com is a hard site to find stats.

I see nothing right now called NFL rewind.

Hidden in the play by play is still:
  1. 3-12-BAL 36 (7:52) (Shotgun) 16-C.Batch pass short right to 84-A.Brown to BAL 28 for 8 yards (23-C.Brown).
  2. 4-4-BAL 28 (7:52) (Field Goal formation) 6-S.Suisham 46 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-60-G.Warren, Holder-9-D.Butler.
A pass completion and a field goal both at the same time.
If the pass play started at 7:52 it can not end at 7:52.

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The site that made the decision uses a variation of the English language.
So, it will take overwhelming evidence to convince them.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:22 PM
 
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NFL dot com is a hard site to find stats.

I see nothing right now called NFL rewind.

Hidden in the play by play is still:
  1. 3-12-BAL 36 (7:52) (Shotgun) 16-C.Batch pass short right to 84-A.Brown to BAL 28 for 8 yards (23-C.Brown).
  2. 4-4-BAL 28 (7:52) (Field Goal formation) 6-S.Suisham 46 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-60-G.Warren, Holder-9-D.Butler.
A pass completion and a field goal both at the same time.
If the pass play started at 7:52 it can not end at 7:52.

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The site that made the decision uses a variation of the English language.
So, it will take overwhelming evidence to convince them.
NFL Rewind is on NFL Network. They replay the 4 best games of the weekend - 2 on Tuesday, 2 on Wednesday.

So I watched that part of the 1stQ.

Clock was stopped at 7:52 for a 3rd down play. Batch completed a short pass. 4th down with clock running. Suisham hits FG. Clock stopped after the FG at 7:12.
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