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Old 01-19-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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The Patriots were a laughing stock for many many years....remember watching Steve Grogan back in the day...good QB but played on some horrible teams.....

I do respect fans who stick w/their teams through the bad times.....good for them that they've had so much success..obv the Kraft formula has worked....
Coupon Jack is right and it goes further back than Steve Grogan. It actually goes back to the tail end of the American Football League.

Denver occupied that spot for the first 10 years of AFL History and it wasn't even close. Four things to consider here.

1. The Broncos were the only club in AFL history to not have a winning season-ever.

2. They had more head coaches in their ten year history than any other club with 5.

3. During the AFL-NFL merger talks Pete Rozelle sent the NFL owners in a room and they didn't come out until three owners decided to switch to the AFC to give both conferences an equal amount of teams with 13. And the quote that long time Bronco fans will never forget was the one made by Art Modell; "The Denver Broncos will play in my stadium over my dead body."

4. During the AFL-'NFL merger Pete Rozelle had two business interests ready to buy the Bronco franchise and move it and said so to the city.

Th Patriots were the only other club not to win any AFL championships but did appear in one. That was 1963. But they did have consistent winning seasons from 1961 to 1967. From 1969 to 1975 the most games they won as a franchise was in 1971, Jim Plunkett's rookie year, with six. Other years were at best four. The only quarterback the Pats had known who had a good run with them was Babe Parilli, who played in the NFL for several seasons before coming over to the AFL. When Plunkett was drafted the New England area jumped for joy. Sadly Plunkett's skill set and Chuck Fairbanks philosophy never came close to meshing and Plunkett was sent to San Francisco.

The biggest problem that the Patriots had in those days was a true home field and it certainly didn't set well with the players or the coaches. In their first ten years they played their games in Boston University, Harvard, Fenway Park, before Shafer Stadium was built in Foxboro. And that stadium served the Pats well but wasn't exactly a fan favorite by players and the fans.

Among the long time Patriot fans who go back to the AFL days can point to one instance that puts the exclamation point regarding stadium reputation. In their 1968 opening game of the season, they played against the NY Jets in Birmingham, Alabama of all places. IIRC the Patriots were the home team which is all the more puzzling as the Jets got more of an advantage here than the Patriots did because of Joe Namath and his college career at the University of Alabama. AFL teams and fans really scratched their heads with this move. Looking back on it later, there was good reason for it. It wasn't really publicized as well as it could have been, but Patriots ownership actually looked at Alabama as a possible site for a future NFL team. There apparently were problems regarding building a stadium in the Boston area and ownership was thinking out loud suggesting a possible move.AFL commissioner Milt Woodard bought into the idea. During that time Fenway Park couldn't be used and nothing else was said about the college stadiums. But what was surprising was there didn't seem to be any thought of switching the Jets/Pats games around in that season. maybe Shea Stadium had the Mets socked in there for a few games in a row. Regardless, the game was played at Legion Field in Birmingham.

Needless to say the franchise has come a long ways in regards to team identity as compared to their humble beginnings. And they like some other AFL clubs were certainly humble!

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Old 01-19-2013, 03:32 PM
 
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Besides him being a big goofy metrosexual who parades around in Uggs, dancing horribly at Carnaval, that many fans have a disturbingly homo-erotic admiration for all while the media crams him down our throat as this revoltingly annoying All-American guy "TOM TERRIFIC!"?
Goofy? Never saw him that way, he's pretty mellow, very humble. Ray Lewis was involved in a murder, you'd rather cheer for that? (mod edit-sentence deleted) Tom Brady is pretty much a saint as far as NFL QBs go. He's a family man. Every coach and player that has had a relationship with him has nothing but positive things to say about the guy. He's a leader and an extremely hard worker. You must just be a fan of a team he's gotten the better of or hasn't had the success of the Brady-era Patriot teams, or you don't just like a winner. The guy was a Hall Of Famer more than half a decade ago and continues to play at the highest level, where are Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, the guys with the most commercials now? Or newcomer RG3 with a subway ad every 5 mins, they're all eliminated. If your a fan of football you should be a fan of Tom Brady, the guy is a classy professional who is one of the greatest players ever, he does things the right way.

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Old 01-19-2013, 03:51 PM
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Goofy? Never saw him that way, he's pretty mellow, very humble. Ray Lewis was involved in a murder, you'd rather cheer for that? Or maybe that rapist they have in Pittsburgh, or the dog killer in Philly? Tom Brady is pretty much a saint as far as NFL QBs go. He's a family man. Every coach and player that has had a relationship with him has nothing but positive things to say about the guy. He's a leader and an extremely hard worker. You must just be a fan of a team he's gotten the better of or hasn't had the success of the Brady-era Patriot teams, or you don't just like a winner. The guy was a Hall Of Famer more than half a decade ago and continues to play at the highest level, where are Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, the guys with the most commercials now? Or newcomer RG3 with a subway ad every 5 mins, they're all eliminated. If your a fan of football you should be a fan of Tom Brady, the guy is a classy professional who is one of the greatest players ever, he does things the right way.


I think the only goofy QB in the NFL is Eli Manning.
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:18 AM
 
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GO PATS!!!!!
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:20 AM
 
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NE + 2 1/2 points or Baltimore + 17 1/2 points?.......says Las Vegas.
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:41 AM
 
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Balt w those teaser points...
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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Balt w those teaser points...
We both can be right.
You Baltimore + 17.5 and me with NE + 2.5
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:10 PM
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I think the Pats may lose because of the "Ray lewis retirement Party" billboard in New England
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:55 PM
 
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I think the Pats may lose because of the "Ray lewis retirement Party" billboard in New England
Lol...yea...just bad mojo!
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:56 PM
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Lol...yea...just bad mojo!

Very stupid by the New England area
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