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Old 01-03-2014, 07:58 AM
 
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Is football dying? | HardballTalk

I think the argument the author makes is moronic. Football is dying because of the dimensions of the field?

Football is dying. But it has nothing to do with the dimensions of the field. And its a slow death, barely noticeable right now but it is noticeable.

The sport will eventually die (or cease to be the sport we once knew) because of head injuries. If Goodell sticks around long enough I think he'll outlaw tackling. I'm not trying to be funny.

But less and less young kids will play the sport. Parents are already wising up. So its going to have a massive influence on the NFL in 10-15 years.

Another thing that is killing the NFL is parity. It would have been interesting to see the Ravens defend their title. But because of NFL salary cap rules the Ravens couldn't keep their team together. They couldn't even come close to keeping their team together. Parity is probably the worst idea that the sports gods ever shat into civilization. "Hey, I have any idea, lets make the quality on the field worse all in the name of fairness!" No, lets not.

The day baseball gets a salary cap is the day I throw my Oakland A's cap in the trash. Screw parity, screw salary caps, screw socialism in sports.

The day they get rid of the salary cap is the day I quit watching pro football forever. It wil be just like MLB and to a lesser extent the NBA where only 10 or so teams really have a shot at any sort of sustained success. I simply refuse to watch New York, Dallas, New Englalnd or Chicago win the Super Bowl every single year b/c that is what would happen. Add in Miami perhaps b/c that is a trendy "swaggy" market thanks to the Heat.

No other teams would have a chance for sustained success. Say bye bye to the Steelers or Green Bay or Indianapolis ever making the playoffs much less win a Super Bowl.

Heck, I'm a Browns and Bucs fan and I know both teams have really stunk but I can deal with it b/c the reason they have stunk is poor drafting/free agency decisions. They aren't failing because the deck is stacked against them like it is against small market teams in the MLB and NBA.
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:02 AM
 
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The sport is more popular then ever. I agree the head injuries are a concern, but it will not kill the sport. I'm also fairly certain that you are in the minority of the salary cap and parody being a bad thing
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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The pro-parity/salary cap people like to frame the argument this way. That its either parity/salary cap or its the same team winning every year.

It's nonsense. In the NFL there are enough good players to go around. You don't have to weaken the quality to get parity. Some parity will exist organically. The NFL didn't have a salary cap until 1994. The quality before 94' was much higher. And every team had a chance. The bad teams drafted badly. Not much has changed in that regard.

That was a different time. Back then a salary of a million per year was rare. Even with no salary cap teams generally kept saleries under control.

Take away the salary cap tomorrow and you'll have Dallas, both New York teams, New England and maybe Chicago and Washington outspend everyone. Small market powerhouses like Pittsburgh will tumble to the bottom of the standings and will never get out of the basement again. Dan Snyder could just open the checkbook to someone like Big Ben, offer him $20 or $30 million per year and steal him away from the Steelers and there wouldn't be anything they could do about it.
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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I think the exact opposite is true. Now fans of all teams (or at least most) know they have a shot at winning. Pretty much the only fans that want to see a dynasty are fans of that particular team. Not fans of other teams.
Exactly. Parity, salary caps and profit sharing are what made the NFL the most exciting and profitable sports league in the world. I agree we could use a different commissioner, however.
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Old 01-03-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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I agree with you about head injuries changing the sport.. but I am not gonna go as far to say that it will be drastically different in 15 or 20 years. Certainly some parents will not let their child play football due to head injuries but others will and the LURE of huge $$$ will continue to draw elite players even at the risk of head injuries.

I can see the day when the NFL outlaws helmet hits all together. No helmet contact at all. Players, starting with younger ones, need to learn to STOP launching themselves at opponents in order to tackle. Take the launch out of the game and head injuries will decrease IMO. Its really as simply as making a rule that states, you cannot leave your feet to make a tackle. it might seem drastic right now but I think something along those lines is coming.. sooner rather than later.

Personally, as a father of a young football player, nothing concerns me more than proper technique in tackling and not leading with your helmet. Coaches are teaching kids to hit what they see but if they launch to tackle, even if their head is up, they risk injuring their necks.. I would prefer they simply not launch but that is not going away from what I can see at the youth level.

As for the Salary cap and that diminishing the game. I can see both sides of that argument. But regardless, the salary cap helps all the team owners bottom line so its not going no where. If you think it has anything to do with leveling the playing field then your not paying attention. The salary cap is a way for owners to make more money.. !

Otherwise, I think the OP made a good argument on both points.
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:09 AM
 
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There is one effect of the salary cap that we haven't begun to see yet. Right now for example there are many Steeler Fan groups all around the country, because of the dynasty they once had in the last few decades. The same can be said about other teams that were annual powerhouses pre salary cap.

Eventually, the powerhouse teams will be forgotten and the NFL will have a somewhat diminished fan base overall because of it. There will only be individual success stories such as Peyton Manning to get fans excited over anything besides their local team. And with Parity, there will be less excitement over the local teams due to periods of mediocrity. That and the officiating, which has really reached a low point this year, if it doesn't improve.

Remember what saved MLB after the strike season? MLB was just about dead, but one player single handedly got the fans all over the country behind his efforts. That was Cal Ripken Jr.
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: NJ
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There is one effect of the salary cap that we haven't begun to see yet. Right now for example there are many Steeler Fan groups all around the country, because of the dynasty they once had in the last few decades. The same can be said about other teams that were annual powerhouses pre salary cap.

Eventually, the powerhouse teams will be forgotten and the NFL will have a somewhat diminished fan base overall because of it. There will only be individual success stories such as Peyton Manning to get fans excited over anything besides their local team. And with Parity, there will be less excitement over the local teams due to periods of mediocrity.
I don't agree with this. I don't think it will lead to a diminished fan base at all. If someone happens to latch on to a team because they were a dynasty they will just latch on to another team. They are first and foremost football fans. Some guy who doesn't like football is not going to all of sudden become a football fan because some team does good for a while.

Besides the fact that clearly teams still have very good runs of success in the salary cap era. That might not mean winning the SB every year in that stretch, but certainly being in the mix every year.
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:58 AM
 
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Is football dying? | HardballTalk

I think the argument the author makes is moronic. Football is dying because of the dimensions of the field?

Football is dying. But it has nothing to do with the dimensions of the field. And its a slow death, barely noticeable right now but it is noticeable.

The sport will eventually die (or cease to be the sport we once knew) because of head injuries. If Goodell sticks around long enough I think he'll outlaw tackling. I'm not trying to be funny.

But less and less young kids will play the sport. Parents are already wising up. So its going to have a massive influence on the NFL in 10-15 years.

Another thing that is killing the NFL is parity. It would have been interesting to see the Ravens defend their title. But because of NFL salary cap rules the Ravens couldn't keep their team together. They couldn't even come close to keeping their team together. Parity is probably the worst idea that the sports gods ever shat into civilization. "Hey, I have any idea, lets make the quality on the field worse all in the name of fairness!" No, lets not.

The day baseball gets a salary cap is the day I throw my Oakland A's cap in the trash. Screw parity, screw salary caps, screw socialism in sports.
We need to see real facts pertaining to long term brain damage in Football. Those statistics do not exist at the present as much as many want to believe. Yes it is ironic that billionaire owners love their socialism when it benefits them. And I agree, this parity business is the downfall of the NFL, not football in general.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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The sport is more popular then ever. I agree the head injuries are a concern, but it will not kill the sport. I'm also fairly certain that you are in the minority of the salary cap and parody being a bad thing
Prezactly. I have been saying for years sports like the NBA, MLB and College Football is like pro wrestling in that it's pretty much already determined who will win and who will not. You may want to ask a KC Royals or Washington Wizards fan if he feels his team will compete for a ring in the next decade for verification.

And that is yet another reason why the NFL is by far the most popular sport in America. It's awesome that every year we have worst to first and vice versa stories and that's great for the fans.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:34 AM
 
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Eventually, the powerhouse teams will be forgotten and the NFL will have a somewhat diminished fan base overall because of it.
Can I change the last part of your statement to read "the NFL will have a greater fan base since most people are transistioning to warmer climates and there will be more interest in football"
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